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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#80776: Mar 10th 2018 at 12:33:07 PM

Wow, he actually called him El Grande Padre in the Tweet.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80777: Mar 10th 2018 at 2:51:05 PM

Some interesting stuff from that interview. This part in particular caught my interest:

Nakamura: Did I? I didn’t intend to, but… well, obviously Vegeta is right up there with Goku in terms of battle power. But personally I intended on putting more effort into the warriors like the Turtle Hermit or Kuririn, the ones who at first made you ask “why’d they bring these guys along?” Because Toriyama-sensei selected them. If he was just looking for battle power, then he would have only brought along people who could go Super Saiyan, like Goten or Trunks. I think Toriyama-sensei went out of his way to select those people as a way of telling us to have fights that would put them to good use, rather than simply having characters win by going Super Saiyan. I believe that was his aim in selecting those warriors.

So Toriyama chose them himself, which includes Roshi and Tien.

I won't lie: the eternal Yamcha fan in me wishes he'd left the Desert Bandit finally have his due, but we can safely say that would have probably ended with him getting eliminated first anyway, and likely in a more embarrassing way than Krillin actually did as well. It's strange for him to do that considering how he's been effectively nerfing them from the start and all, making their attacks and power ups useless in the face of the latest enemy, and either writing them out to focus on Goku, or bringing them in to lose in order to make Goku more impressive. It seems he wanted to make better use of them in this arc (which makes sense, as Goku and Vegeta can't fight everyone, and since he's always kept the number of antagonists small, they end up doing the bulk of the work anyway).

Anyway, the ball was still dropped pretty badly with Jiren in terms of personality, but you have to admit, the fight with him and Goku (the first time) was pretty hype, and I'm hoping this next one will be better.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#80778: Mar 10th 2018 at 4:04:58 PM

Ultra Instinct goes into operation in ep.129, and everyone’s very interested in what will happen in the final two episodes, but…?!

Nakamura: I’m sure everyone realizes this too, but in a situation like this, the story’s not going to end with Goku simply firing a Kamehameha and finishing Jiren off, like with previous villains (laughs).

After all, Jiren isn’t evil

Nakamura: No, he’s not. Jiren carries a lot of baggage and doesn’t live his life based on malice. Ultimately no matter who wins or loses, though they both have different stances, when the battle is over they might feel something new. A bit like Bushido.

I see; so they’re letting their fists do the talking.

Nakamura: I want children to pick up on what Jiren learns and feels from fighting Goku. I think it’s probably something that can be applied out in the real world, too. Since others won’t share all of the same sensibilities as you; in fact, most people don’t think the same way you do. In this series it’s a physical battle, but I think everyone has had a time where they’ve felt something when their ideas clashed against someone else’s. I think Toriyama-sensei‘s Universe Survival arc is that sort of story. I made it with that interpretation in mind.

Takami: Director Nakamura has pulled the Universe Survival arc along up until now, and the last two episodes feature storyboards and direction that he put his whole heart and soul into. I truly can’t say anything else than “don’t miss it!”

Nakamura: No, it’s nothing special… but still, I’ve never fretted over anything as much as this before. Personally I think the ending to episode 131 is very fitting. While the Universe Survival arc may be Goku’s story, I think it might actually be Jiren’s story, too. I think that was Toriyama-sensei‘s intention when he set up someone like Jiren as the greatest rival, someone who’s not simply evil. I made it with that interpretation in mind, but I wonder how everyone else will feel about it.

Takami: I hope people’s eyes are glued to director Nakamura’s full-force direction and the ending which Toriyama-sensei has prepared for this story. Personally I even get the feeling that Toriyama-sensei is trying to set up even more stories.

Nakamura: Even after the story is over, please keep watching to the end and don’t change the channel. There’ll be something special!

Word of God speaking here. Guess that clears that up.

edited 10th Mar '18 4:06:15 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#80779: Mar 10th 2018 at 4:06:31 PM

I don't think anyone has claimed that Jiren is evil.

Just that he's a supreme arse.

edited 10th Mar '18 4:06:46 PM by LordVatek

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80780: Mar 10th 2018 at 4:09:19 PM

What exactly about Jiren are children supposed to take away?

That its okay to be a boring-ass arse who does nothing but have the same constipated look on his face?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#80781: Mar 10th 2018 at 4:11:43 PM

He can say whatever he wants, it doesn't matter it it isn't properly conveyed. Or conveyed at all.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80782: Mar 10th 2018 at 4:29:47 PM

[up]x5 Eh, it's no surprise. Toriyama already included those human characters in ROF. And from the sound of things, he left the detail up to the anime staff, so he wasn't bothered with really making it work.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#80783: Mar 10th 2018 at 4:38:26 PM

"Son Goku, why do you want to become stronger?" "lol IDK" "........"

Really powerful message for the kids.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80784: Mar 10th 2018 at 4:41:26 PM

How many character sacrifices have purposely been undone by the Dragon Balls?

As far as I can recall, Roshi was the only character they wanted to wish back after his sacrifice.

Piccoro was only brought back because Earth Dragon Balls.

Veggie was only brought back by a technicality.

Karrot was only wished back to defeat Veggie and Nappa, but wasn't wished back the 2nd time...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80785: Mar 10th 2018 at 4:44:18 PM

Eh, it's no surprise. Toriyama already included those human characters in ROF. And from the sound of things, he left the detail up to the anime staff, so he wasn't bothered with really making it work.

I'm still wondering why he chose Roshi and not Yamcha (but that's my Yamcha bias speaking).

I guess he just likes Roshi more, which is his prerogative, but a little frustrating for someone who still wants the character to be thrown a bone in something beyond filler.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80786: Mar 10th 2018 at 4:50:59 PM

I don't know if it's due to his personal taste in the character, or pandering to the fanbase. I wouldn't be very surprised if Roshi is more popular than Yamcha (outside of Yamcha memes) and Yamcha kind of fits in the same category that Kuririn and Tenshinhan represent.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#80787: Mar 10th 2018 at 4:52:10 PM

Not to mention, Roshi is a good fighter but he is hilariously outclassed by the otherworldly villains.

"Mai waifu."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80788: Mar 10th 2018 at 4:54:22 PM

None of them are villains.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80789: Mar 10th 2018 at 5:06:22 PM

So what I'm taking away here is that Jiren learns the value of friendship after Goku punches him really hard. Can't wait.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80790: Mar 10th 2018 at 5:10:28 PM

What I can't believe there saying is that we are having this deep battle with Jiren when its really as deep as the pepperoni topping on a pizza..

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#80791: Mar 10th 2018 at 5:10:59 PM

The real Dragon Ball Super was the friends we made along the way.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#80792: Mar 10th 2018 at 5:12:02 PM

[up][up][up]I mean, it's not like it hasn't happened before.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80793: Mar 10th 2018 at 5:16:04 PM

[up][up] I have formed friendships with two workmates over criticizing the show...

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#80794: Mar 10th 2018 at 5:17:33 PM

Here's how I'm guessing the final two episodes go (spoiler-tagged because I'll be mentioning spoilers).

130: Jiren powers up to maximum and he and Goku have a truly crazy epic battle. Jiren is either slightly stronger but at a disadvantage because of Ultra Instinct's unique properties, or he's slightly wealer and just at a disadvantage. We see from Jiren's perspective at times throughout the fight, and he realizes that Goku is this strong because of his friends' trust in him. Goku and Jiren are both tired, and Jiren manages to land one final blast, beating Goku and knocking him out of bounds. Just as Jiren starts to breathe a sigh of relief, a beam pierces through his chest from behind.

131: Jiren, the hero, fights Freeza, the villain. Even exhausted and heavily injured, Jiren still has a strength advantage, but Freeza fights dirty and Jiren is so tired and injured. No clue as to the rest of this, beyond all the universes getting wished back.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80795: Mar 10th 2018 at 5:17:43 PM

But did you punch each other first?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80796: Mar 10th 2018 at 5:24:02 PM

That's the kind of logic that carries over from fiction.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#80797: Mar 10th 2018 at 5:28:20 PM

My prediction: Jiren: Even though I became the strongest and beat you Goku, in the end I lost because you had the help of your super duper bestest friend in the whole world Frieza. I now realize that Friendship is more important than muscles.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#80798: Mar 10th 2018 at 5:49:27 PM

On the topic of undone sacrifices, this is still why I have a soft spot for GT. Just the hilarity of the cast being called out on the abuse.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80799: Mar 10th 2018 at 5:56:48 PM

It's not abuse, though... the DBs exist, it would be heinous of them not to use those to bring back people killed by the villains.

The Shadow Dragons are a thematic villain but would have needed much better execution and conceptual work to actually make sense with how the Dragon Balls were used.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80800: Mar 10th 2018 at 5:58:03 PM

The Shadow Dragons is the most absolute perfect way to end Dragon Ball.

That arc needs to be redone better cause the concept is again perfect.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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