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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80676: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:50:29 PM

[up]He initially refused to join the tournament at all over erasing others, which shows that his own universe being erased is less important than him throwing away his morals. He also says he would leave if there is danger in U11, which would also possibly doom his universe. The contradiction is already there. I'm not creating one.

edited 8th Mar '18 5:51:53 PM by Jedi1113

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80677: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:57:10 PM

As in you're saying he's holding back because he doesn't want to help eliminate universes, then you're saying he's not saving his teammates because he's confident he can win, which would mean he's going to eliminate universes.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80678: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:05:02 PM

He is willing to leave the tournament due to protecting his universe being more important. But he isn't willing to erase others to protect it. This is a contradiction.

Erasing the only universe left to save his own is not the same as erasing all 7 himself. And yes obviously he is confident he could win, since he joined the tournament at the mention of the wish, meaning he is confident he can get that wish. Meaning that if it comes down to him having to act then he would to get that wish, but not enough to erase everyone personally. Whether he saves his teammates or not does not matter as long as he wins. They are in no danger and when they were he did in fact step in. And again he was willing to risk their erasure before he knew of the wish or he is confident enough that they can handle shit. Which again they totally could have if not for the classic Saiyans pulling power out the ass technique.

edited 8th Mar '18 6:10:42 PM by Jedi1113

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80679: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:12:42 PM

Or he could help save his teammates, thus helping U11 win and not get his hands dirty. If we're using his manga Interpretation, then the Super Dragon Balls were promised to him anyway. The win conditions is having more members in the battlefield. That

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80680: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:15:22 PM

Well maybe he doesn't want to baby sit them when they aren't in danger? Maybe they asked him not to, they seemed to be pretty egotistical, even setting aside they are the Pride Troopers.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80681: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:16:55 PM

It's not babysitting. If he cares so much about not eliminating people, that's the best thing he can do. Dyspo was pretty grateful to Kunshi when he saved him, so they're not stupid.

edited 8th Mar '18 6:17:09 PM by Ikedatakeshi

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80682: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:20:35 PM

You aren't wrong there but it doesn't make him an asshole. Toppo is the leader and spent a lot of time doing nothing or not helping and no one is calling him an ass about it lol.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#80683: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:30:30 PM

So uh... I'm still enjoying this arc somewhat.

EDIT: Replacing joke.

I'm pretty sure the Dragonball Super Reddit has turned into the My Hero Academia reddit.

edited 8th Mar '18 6:46:55 PM by Soble

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#80684: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:31:15 PM

[up]... is that a joke that the MHA reddit is negative or that Super is being negatively compared to MHA?

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80685: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:32:19 PM

Wait what's wrong with the MHA subreddit?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#80686: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:36:18 PM

Soble made a joke that the "Super subreddit is becoming the MHA subreddit." he's now edited that out, but I wasn't sure if that was a joke that people were asking "why isn't Super more like MHA" or if the MHA subreddit has a rep for being negative.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80687: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:39:39 PM

@Jedi 1113 Of course Toppo was ungodly stupid in that episode, considering he wanted to save stamina and sent them against Kale, Caulifla and Goku in the first place, but at least we've seen from other episodes that he's a good person. Jiren has to coast on his manga personality which would make his current actions seem dumb.

edited 8th Mar '18 6:40:08 PM by Ikedatakeshi

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#80688: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:43:23 PM

Toppo seemed like he was standing around and doing nothing a lot of the time too tbh.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80689: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:45:22 PM

That can be said for anyone who does not receive focus for any amount of time since Super does the if your not onscreen then you don't exist thing.

Though you can believe that people not onscreen are fighting they just aren't eliminating anyone.

[up][up][up] Huh didn't know the MHA subreddit was a negative place.

edited 8th Mar '18 6:45:55 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#80690: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:45:33 PM

A lot of the problems we're talking about go back to this whole thing never really seeming as hectic as it should be. Like, with the incoming Frieza "twist", if it actually seemed like time was an issue, maybe people forgetting about him could be (somewhat) overlooked. But as it stands, it's just the writers clearly not thinking much of the audience.

edited 8th Mar '18 6:45:46 PM by LSBK

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80691: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:47:00 PM

Well, in that episode Toppo explicitly stated he wants him and Jiren to retreat to save stamina. Which is very stupid.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80692: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:48:04 PM

They should have had Frieza's body nearby when 17 kamikazed himself, so they could assume he was accidentally caught in the blast and died too.

Then they could believably pull the twist.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#80693: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:49:14 PM

[up]... is that a joke that the MHA reddit is negative or that Super is being negatively compared to MHA?

Neither actually.

Not so long ago the CW show, Arrow, had this pitiful fourth season.The Reddit fanbase got so fed up with it, they abandoned Arrow and re-purposed the subreddit to talk about Daredevil.

edited 8th Mar '18 6:55:01 PM by Soble

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#80694: Mar 8th 2018 at 7:47:49 PM

Wait what's wrong with the MHA subreddit?

The subreddit, or at least a Vocal Minority, really hated the latest arc of manga. That and MHA fandom is becoming like every shonen fandom where you start getting the "______ sucks as the main character, _______ should be the main character instead." tongue

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#80695: Mar 8th 2018 at 7:55:13 PM

If nothing else I like that the ToP introduced characters with a greater variety of powers than is typically seen in the series: freezing, poison, illusions, hypnosis, invisibility, completely defensive styles, Combining Mecha, and of course LOVE!

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80696: Mar 8th 2018 at 7:58:53 PM

Too bad they were all completely ineffective.

Telekensis still remains one of the better game breakers in the franchise.

...Unless you're Tao pai pai I suppose (and apparently only in the anime).

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#80697: Mar 8th 2018 at 7:59:42 PM

Man, I don’t know what to think about this

I’m almost done with U6 arc

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#80698: Mar 8th 2018 at 8:00:11 PM

Oh, do you not care about spoilers?

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#80699: Mar 8th 2018 at 8:01:40 PM

Yeah, I have a general gist of what happens

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80700: Mar 8th 2018 at 8:07:37 PM

Sadly despite the grater variety of powers most of the fighters are still gimmick fighters who all have glass jaws.

Which is one reason why I like the wolf bros. They each have a thing but their all capable of matching the Z-Fighters on their own grounds. For instance Lavender, he uses poison & you'd expect that once you power through his poison he'd go down in one blow but no Lavender is a fearsome warrior without his poison.

The poison is an enhancement & addition to his strength that allows him to reach his full potential.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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