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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80651: Mar 8th 2018 at 4:31:15 PM

The Toppo comment and him wailing on Vegeta and Goku felt like cheap ploys to turn us against Jiren, rather than omg Jiren is actually an asshole and it was all a facade. Otherwise Jiren hasn't done anything villainous at all, barely even antagonistic, since he has barely done anything.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80652: Mar 8th 2018 at 4:34:06 PM

When the only noticeable thing someone has done that shows their personality is insult someone who considers him a dear friend, maybe it will leave a bad impression. Especially since U11 is losing because he can't be bothered to get off his ass for 90% of the tournament.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#80653: Mar 8th 2018 at 4:34:33 PM

Are the rest of the episodes subbed or are they only up to Episode 39?

Sorry for the late response; Funimation simulcasts the series as well, so the subs are caught up all the way up to 129 just like Crunchyroll.

What does Jiren have?

Have you seen his ass?

edited 8th Mar '18 4:41:05 PM by Lionheart0

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#80654: Mar 8th 2018 at 4:40:34 PM

[up][up] Yet another point for manga Jiren. He actually does stuff right from the start. Almost like he's actively trying to win or something.

edited 8th Mar '18 4:41:14 PM by Lyendith

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80655: Mar 8th 2018 at 4:43:04 PM

[up][up] Only in the manga though, sadly only in the manga does it ever look good.

[up] He is like the most poorly written character in this entire show.

edited 8th Mar '18 4:43:19 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80656: Mar 8th 2018 at 4:44:12 PM

He also talked shit about Hit's pride as an assassin. Protected Dyspo from being maimed, stop Kale when she was out of control and could've killed someone etc. It wasn't much but the Toppo line isn't the only thing that shows his character. I also think people are over vilifying that line anyway but ymmv.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#80657: Mar 8th 2018 at 4:47:56 PM

But yeah, at this point, I'm pretty confident that the episode will indeed play straight just like the spoilers indicated.

Because honestly, why else keep Freeza from being eliminated and have all the characters in-universe literally forget about his presence, if not to have him perform a cheapshot at the last second.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#80658: Mar 8th 2018 at 4:54:17 PM

It's weird, did all of U7 just forget that Frieza was still in the ring or something? He didn't teleport back to the stands, so he'd have to still be in, unless he were dead.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80659: Mar 8th 2018 at 4:57:29 PM

I'm pretty sure they literally forgot. Why not, Toei clearly expects us to not remember even though the rules explicitly make it impossible to forget.

edited 8th Mar '18 4:57:40 PM by Ikedatakeshi

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#80660: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:00:41 PM

Toei really underestimates how stupid it's audience is.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80661: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:01:58 PM

Even children aren't this stupid.

Unless this show is actually for infants with no attention span.

edited 8th Mar '18 5:02:17 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#80662: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:05:21 PM

I don't know, kids can be pretty dumb.

They care about the new forms (for toys and games of course), everything else (like the plot) is secondary.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#80663: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:07:41 PM

IMO no series treats its audience dumber than the Pokemon anime. They've near-literally said they've left plot points unresolved and plot holes unaddressed because they don't think their target demographic is smart enough to care about continuity.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80664: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:08:15 PM

I guess it depends on the kid.

When I worked at the after school care program for my little sisters elementary school classes all the kids there were pretty on the ball.

They also really like Slenderman & Fiver Nights at Freddy's.

[up] They should really get the writers who work on DC's shows (except Teen Titans Go of course) & the Star Wars cartoons.

edited 8th Mar '18 5:09:24 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80665: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:15:39 PM

Also those things Jiren did? Besides the first one none of them show any hint of his personality beyond punching evil people, which is kind of the memo for their entire team.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80666: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:24:57 PM

My point was that if he was this uncaring asshole he wouldn't have gotten involved in those situations.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80667: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:28:41 PM

Then he's a normal asshole, who only helps when he feels like it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80668: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:29:02 PM

Their contradicting things cause now it was outright stated that he doesn't care for the Pride Troopers.

They were just a tool for Jiren to use to gain ultimate power.

Which begs the question of why he saved Dyspo if he never cared for him in the first place.

[up] He clearly didn't help any of his teammates avoid elimination.

edited 8th Mar '18 5:29:45 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80669: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:32:03 PM

Or he only gets involved when he feels he has to because he doesn't want the erasure of other universes on his head.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80670: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:36:36 PM

Problem is that's not even been hinted at.

They could have just shown him a shot of looking very disapprovingly at the erased universes or something for that to work.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80671: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:37:38 PM

Saving his own teammates from elimination also helps if he doesn't want his hands dirty.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#80672: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:40:29 PM

I really see no reason to project Manga!Jiren on to Anime!Jiren. They're being written by different people, and the latter has shown nothing to indicate they feel like the former.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80673: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:42:38 PM

If he is confident in his own strength, which before Goku pulled UI out of his ass he had ever right to be, why does it matter if they get eliminated?

All I'm saying is that this doesn't feel like oh Jiren was an asshole all along. It feels like Toei was trying for a subtle and nuanced characterisation, but this being what it is they failed miserably.

[up] They are the same character. There have been plenty of differences in how things are handled or how they go down, but Frost is still Frost, Black is still Black etc, regardless of the anime or manga. Maybe manga Jiren will end up completely different in the end, but for now it is not that far fetched of an assumption.

edited 8th Mar '18 5:45:45 PM by Jedi1113

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#80674: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:44:10 PM

I don't think Toei was trying for anything in particularly, actually. It just seems like they write each episode as it it's a stand alone without thinking of what previous events might apply about other things they have happen.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80675: Mar 8th 2018 at 5:45:19 PM

[up][up] That would mean he has to clean house himself, which contradicts your previous statement.

edited 8th Mar '18 5:45:30 PM by Ikedatakeshi


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