Goku hasn't flat out defeated the big bad of an arc (or even the main antagonist) since Buu, and that was a last minute switch too since he wasn't even supposed to be the hero of that arc.
One Strip! One Strip!All this hype & it might not be worth crap in the end.
Honestly I'd be more okay with this if Jiren was ya know actually fucking likable. He's a God-awful prick so the fact he might still be winning fucking infuriates me.
That asshole deserves to get his ass beaten like a punk & suffer a pathetic villainous breakdown.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Okay, Kakarrot defeats the fodd, but not the bad.
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I mean, in dragon ball he kinda did both...accept despite being much stronger than Pilaf, he actual got beat by him (getting caught and then watching as Pilaf tried to make his wish, with Oolong being the one to stop him); he lost to Roshi in the end (even if only barely), never actually met Red though he did ultimately destroy the Red Ribbon Army, lost to Tien on a massive technicality, and definitely beat both Piccolos.
He won the overall battle with Vegeta but lost the 1 on 1 fight, wasn't the one to finally end Frieza, couldn't beat Cell, but did destroy Majin Buu.
Getting into Super, his win loss record is even worse, losing to Beerus, and only really outlasting Frieza, nearly being killed anyway, and then essentially (though justifiably) kill stealing in the end.
His fight with Hit ended inconclusively due to Beerus and Champa being tools, and he utterly failed to stop Black and Zamasu at multiple points where they might have won.
Kinda funny how no one else is allowed to be effective at all outside of not dying long enough for Goku to arrive (and sometimes, not even that) but Goku often fails to make their deaths meaningful by not saving the day in many cases.
But lets wait to hear what Saiga says. We all put more stock in his opinion than mine anyway.
One Strip! One Strip!
He's a generic arrogant punk without the charisma of Cell & Frieza or the cool backstory of Baby & Omega Shenron or even the batshit insanity of Buu.
He is quite frankly terrible because of how boring he is.
At least Broly has his maximum memes to keep him fun. What does Jiren have?
edited 8th Mar '18 4:15:39 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Hey what can I say I'm a passionate guy, most likely because I'm Cuban as we are a loud & emotional people.
Though Jiren is a mega asshole. He doesn't seem to care for anyone on the PT's & kicked the dog in regards to poor Toppo.
edited 8th Mar '18 4:30:57 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Yeah, I think dicking on Toppo brought him from merely boring to... I guess X-Pac Heat?
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

Wasn't Jiren No-Sell-ing Hit's ability to freeze time? Like every Time-Skip Hit did just resulted in Jiren predicting where he'd attack from and parrying faster. How in the hell is Jiren getting caught off-guard by anything?
edited 8th Mar '18 1:14:43 PM by Soble
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