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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80426: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:41:43 PM

I was originally of the opinion that Gohan wasn't meant to be God level after Toshio's comments, but he went on to say Gohan and 17 were equal and toward the end of the tournament Gohan was definitely portrayed as God level vs the gattai robot (fighting alongside the Blues), Toppo and Dyspo. Like, he's not the strongest God level character, but he is in the same (inconsistent) ball park as G Freeza and 17.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#80427: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:41:44 PM

How fast is Frieza in the Namek Saga? I ask because his strategy in case he's backed in a corner is blow up the planet. Since his ship was broken at this point, how long would it have taken him to get to the nearest spaceship so he can get back to one of the planets he owns?

I could ask the same of Cell. Before he learns Instant Transmission, how long would it take between leaving a destroyed Earth and finding another inhabited planet to terrorize had he won the Cell Games?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80428: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:45:05 PM

He intended to survive the blast and just do it so that there was no air to breathe.

One of the reasons that plan failed is because even he was afraid he'd use too much power and kill himself by accident.

He apparently gets a better measure of his power by Resurrection F / Super, since he instantly pulls it off in that case.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#80429: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:45:50 PM

Should I stop? I was actually interested in the Future Trunks arc but other than Hit and some of the smaller character building moments I'm not really feeling the show so if it just gets worse I wonder if I should bail.

Nah the show doesn't get worse. That's a huge exaggeration. There's plenty of good stuff in later arcs.

edited 6th Mar '18 4:45:58 PM by Moth13

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80430: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:46:44 PM

Watch the ending of the Black Arc & you'll have your answer.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#80431: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:47:20 PM

it gets worse. there's nothing good past the universe 6 tournament. not in dragon ball super, not in real life, no where. it peaked then and there.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#80432: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:48:09 PM

Super doesn't actually get worse, but it is a thought experiment on why you enjoy Dragon Ball.

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#80433: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:48:57 PM

I already know about the ending to the Black Arc and I think it sucks, but is the stuff leading up to it worthwhile at least?

Mostly I'm just watching it to see if I'm still a Dragon Ball fan so I can pick up Fighterz.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80434: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:49:16 PM

Speaking of Freeza, apparently he isn't naked. Apparently he's wearing a skintight body suit.

I don't know what to believe anymore.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80435: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:49:19 PM

It's subjective. At most, there might be some things you like, and some things you don't. That's something you'll have to decide.

...any thoughts on my Jojo post? I was really hoping a few people who watch both shows would bite.

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#80436: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:50:01 PM

Being real I think it does? Like, the movie adaptations were garbage, and the Goku Black arc and TOP both have seriously glaring flaws that just didn't exist in the Universe 6 Tournament.

I don't think it's unfair to say it gets worse when Universe 6 was just genuinely really good, and no other arc has that level of consistency.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80437: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:50:09 PM

[up][up][up][up] How do you feel about Broly?

[up] A huge lack of consistency, yup that's true.

edited 6th Mar '18 4:54:21 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80438: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:51:10 PM

Of course, still subjective but I am one who believes it definitely got worse, though it's hard to judge

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#80439: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:53:58 PM

I'd say Super has a fair number of good/cool moments after U6 tournament. It also has a lot of shitty ones. The exact ratio is really a matter of personal taste, though, again, some people argue their opinions better than others.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#80440: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:54:13 PM

I already know about the ending to the Black Arc and I think it sucks, but is the stuff leading up to it worthwhile at least?

I'd say so. Goku Black is a pretty great villain, there's some great fights, good character moments, and better momentum and drama than the tournament. Plus if you're a fan of Future Trunks he gets a lot of cool moments.

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#80441: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:55:58 PM

Well I'll keep at it I guess. The Trunks arc doesn't last too long so it shouldn't be too much effort to watch (and it has those Saiyaman episodes I loved afterwards) so I'll keep at it and maybe skip the tournament since I'm not really interested in it. Also I really want to watch Blood Blockade Battlefront.

Then go buy Dragon Ball Fighter Z

edited 6th Mar '18 4:58:23 PM by Mr.Badguy

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#80442: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:56:42 PM

[up]x7 I did respond on the Jo Jo thread.

I think more people who watch Jo Jo know about DB than the other way around, so that thread is probably where you're mainly going to see discussion on the topic.

edited 6th Mar '18 4:57:03 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#80443: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:56:56 PM

Bulma/Vegeta is one of those things that seems like something out of a thirteen-year-old's Draco in Leather Pants fanfic but bizarrely succeeds against all odds.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#80444: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:57:39 PM

I don't think it's unfair to say it gets worse when Universe 6 was just genuinely really good, and no other arc has that level of consistency.

Someone forgot about the Botamo fight.

edited 6th Mar '18 4:57:58 PM by Moth13

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#80445: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:57:52 PM

[up][up]i think it makes a solid case for bulma's breasts being the savior of the world. certainly has been on more than one occasion.

[up]one bad thing is indeed more consistent than a multitude of bad things i'd say

edited 6th Mar '18 4:58:25 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#80446: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:58:50 PM

[up][up][up] Good way to put it.

Heck, future Trunks is a walking shitty OC donutsteel before those were even a thing (crack ship pairing, Half-Saiyan, can go Super-Saiyan, has a sword, is from the future, effortlessly kills a major villain and his dad on his first appearance) and yet he's really good.

[up]I think Bulma's breasts have technically only won one fight (when Roshi's nosebleed made invisible man visible to Yamcha). That wasn't for the fate of the world though.

edited 6th Mar '18 5:00:02 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#80447: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:59:26 PM

Vegeta/Bulma is great. His entire character arc of gradually softening, falling in love, and making one last desperate grasp at being an evil all powerful bastard is as close to a genuinely good character arc in Dragon Ball.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80448: Mar 6th 2018 at 5:00:18 PM

Didn't care much for Piccolo I guess

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80449: Mar 6th 2018 at 5:00:22 PM

Its because he fails so he averts being a Mary Sue.

Also helps that Vegeta & Bulma don't actually get together for a while & even then the former remains unchanged in personality.

[up][up] Oh boy does Super go with that. Vegeta is a fucking marshmallow now not that that's a bad thing of course.

edited 6th Mar '18 5:01:45 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#80450: Mar 6th 2018 at 5:01:42 PM

Vegeta's softening is doubly funny when you consider Toriyama's statement that Saiyans had little concept of family; they just casually banged to have kids and shipped them out conquering for the PTO as soon as they could walk. Or, in other words, Vegeta, Mr. Saiyan Pride himself, didn't just soften, he assimilated.


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