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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#80401: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:02:06 PM

Dragging things out, stupid endings, and inconsistent power levels.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#80402: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:15:18 PM

The last arc of the series also takes up almost exactly half of it. The climax of the Future Trunks arc is the halfway point.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80403: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:16:13 PM

[up][up][up] It is hard to generalise, but inconsistent writing (not just in power), poor characterizations/flanderization, a general feeling of things being handled differently to the original (I'd need to get more specific, but the overuse of 'iconic' techniques is one), lots of rehashing/repetition of iconic moments, illogical nostalgia pandering, poor cast choice, poor cast usage, refusal to age characters, lots of filler/inconsequential scenes, cheap twists, tone dissonance, pacing issues, shilling certain characters too hard, power escalation issues, inappropriate plot structure, introducing many shallow/unlikeable characters...

That's off the top of my head.

edited 6th Mar '18 4:16:29 PM by Saiga

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#80404: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:20:13 PM

Should I stop? I was actually interested in the Future Trunks arc but other than Hit and some of the smaller character building moments I'm not really feeling the show so if it just gets worse I wonder if I should bail.

edited 6th Mar '18 4:20:37 PM by Mr.Badguy

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#80405: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:22:26 PM

nah keep watching. IMO there's enough decent concepts in there that it's worth watching, and for better or worse this is likely what Dragon Ball canon is going to stick with, unlike with GT

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80406: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:24:05 PM

There are some good fights at least & some general good stuff.

Hit for one comes back in another arc.

Besides the more people to join us on this acid trip the better I say. tongue

edited 6th Mar '18 4:24:38 PM by slimcoder

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80407: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:24:11 PM

It's subjective whether the show gets worse, keep watching if it currently appeals to you enough. If you hadn't heard it gets worse, would you still be thinking of dropping it?

Also, there's the Super kanga which is much shorter and quicker to read. You could switch to that and decide if you liked that enough to resume the anima - they keep the major plot points pretty similar so if you're okay with the ending you'll probably be okay with the biggest problem.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#80408: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:24:33 PM

Most of what Saiga says is heavily subjective. I have enjoyed both of the latter arcs immensely. Hell, I'd disagree with the general consensus and say that both of them are better than the U6 tournament arc, which I also really like.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#80409: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:26:11 PM

Goku Black arc has a really cool villain in Goku Black, TOP has Ultra Instinct. Otherwise they suck.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#80410: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:26:15 PM

I'd say the problem with the show is that it wants to evoke nostalgia for the old series but doesn't know how to do it well consistently. Some moments are really great (look at, say, the Piccolo/Gohan fight in the TOP) and others are not (as Saiga mentioned, an overreliance on iconic techniques).

Honestly I think if they doubled down on the slice of life atmosphere it would be a lot better. Stuff like the Baseball episode (which is probably going down as one of the iconic DB filler eps). That's what Super does best, fun and a sense of family, not big high-stakes battles.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80411: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:29:22 PM

There's also the Trunks/Mai pairing of which I despise with the burning intensity of a million exploding suns.

Trunks deserves better.

edited 6th Mar '18 4:29:44 PM by slimcoder

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80412: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:30:11 PM

The Piccolo/Gohan fight isn't that great, especially if Gohan is meant to be God level this entire time. Piccolo has no place in that kind of fight.

[up][up][up][up] It's aaaaaaall subjective

edited 6th Mar '18 4:30:39 PM by Saiga

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#80413: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:30:41 PM

Gonna put it out there... I don't mind the Future Trunks/Future Mai pairing. It's okay. The KT/KM pairing is... weird. I definitely think a lot of hate for all of that is overblown.

[up] I meant it has great nostalgic moments.

edited 6th Mar '18 4:32:22 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#80414: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:31:18 PM

Pretty sure Gohan isn't meant to be God level considering he never fought any god level opponents, and the manga omitted his fight with Goku

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#80415: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:31:20 PM

Isn't Mai twice his age in terms of actual living experience? And isn't he a teenager? That's kind of weird.

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#80416: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:31:27 PM

the baseball episode is definitely one of the best filler episodes ever [lol] if not the best of all of Super

I couldn't care less about Trunks/Mai. It's kinda weird because she's actually an adult woman and Trunks is like 12, but whatever.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80417: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:32:40 PM

Mai has no place getting near any of the Trunks'.

There is a character pecking order & Trunks is far, far above her.

Also now that I think about it Piccolo's main fight in the tournament is pretty lazy since its pretty much just charging a Special Beam Cannon again.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#80418: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:33:47 PM

I mean, the power scaling in Super is all over the place. Heck, Krillin had a Kamehameha struggle with Goku, is Krillin God level?

[up] It has Gohan taking the hit for him and a cameo from Nail and Kami. What more do you want?

edited 6th Mar '18 4:34:32 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#80419: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:33:53 PM

Kid Trunks x Mai is extremely pedo. I don't care if someone doesn't mind it, but I at least hope they don't ignore that.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#80420: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:33:58 PM

There is a character pecking order

edited 6th Mar '18 4:35:53 PM by EpicBleye

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#80421: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:34:01 PM

I'm not sure how character pecking orders work with love interests who tend to be less than well developed before being dangled in front of a male character

Bulma and Vegeta are the weird exception to that

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#80422: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:36:14 PM

I mean, Bulma and Vegeta were only a thing so F. Trunks could be a thing.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#80423: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:36:38 PM

Nothing can be judged purely objectively, but I do think some people here argue their points better than others (usually, at least).

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#80424: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:37:23 PM

i have the objectively best arguments, for one

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
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#80425: Mar 6th 2018 at 4:39:54 PM

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they often stink, but some have better ones than others.

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