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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#80326: Mar 5th 2018 at 3:34:33 PM

I admit, I chuckled.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#80327: Mar 5th 2018 at 3:37:16 PM

If we get another Dragon Ball RPG and Frieza is a playable character, he should get a Namek Time passive ability or something.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80328: Mar 5th 2018 at 3:39:03 PM

I knew Jiren is a sadist.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#80329: Mar 5th 2018 at 3:43:49 PM

17/Lapis was wishing for a boat, A BOAT.

Well, what else would you use functionally omnipotent Dragon Balls for?

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#80330: Mar 5th 2018 at 3:46:12 PM

A boat for each family member

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80331: Mar 5th 2018 at 4:00:48 PM

@Sigil

That they shot down Bulma's solution does not mean they will shoot down every solution, especially not ones in different situations. Goku didn't feel good about pre-emptively killing Gero or not testing the Androids, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have used them to deal with Cell if he knew of no other way. He actively tried to avoid releasing Majin Boo later, and while there are points where he extends things, he has reasons for that and he also shows a willingness to take easier solutions (potara on 3 occasions, wanting to bring Goran to deal with Boo).

The Cell arc only established one scenario that Goku isn't okay with.

At his worst, Goku would never say 'let's not solve the problem even if we have no other way!' but they just ignore the super balls. It's definitely not consistent.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#80332: Mar 5th 2018 at 4:03:38 PM

Cause there is literally less than one minute left on the clock, Goku's still in giving Jiren the fight of his life, & Frieza is somewhere in the ring all but guaranteeing U7's win.

Tournament of Power logic has taught us that if they are currently not on camera, they don't exist in the plot. tongue

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80333: Mar 5th 2018 at 4:27:26 PM

I blame Trunks mostly for not telling and maybe he didn't know but Goku would possibly been less likely to view Gero as if he hadn't done anything yet if he knew about all the kids he kidnapped and experimented on

Gero's hands were very much not clean

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#80334: Mar 5th 2018 at 4:46:08 PM

It doesn't matter if Gero hasn't done anything, you can just go to his lab and destroy his equipment or something, or at least confiscate his research.

It should also be noted that he's former RRA personnel so he's probably wanted for war crimes or something anyway. He's not like the Terminator guy just making a computer.

Finally, this is not some sort of random danger, someone from the future has literally come back to warn them that they will all die. Goku should have been taking this way more seriously but he didn't. And as you say Saiga, he takes it more seriously at other times. Because in those other times Goku being proactive wasn't enough to prevent the plot going forward.

Toriyama has already shown that if he can't get the plot to work normally he'll just have the characters make stupid - or even out-of-character stupid - decisions just to move the plot along, and I don't see any difference in the Super Dragonballs and the regular Dragonballs for that.

edited 5th Mar '18 4:50:27 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#80335: Mar 5th 2018 at 4:58:38 PM

I wonder which is worse, GT or Super

I’m up to episode 34 of Super

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80336: Mar 5th 2018 at 5:02:43 PM

There is rule episode 34 of Super.

Not surprising.

edited 5th Mar '18 5:03:19 PM by randomness4

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#80337: Mar 5th 2018 at 5:04:32 PM

That's a very hot-button topic.

I haven't watched GT outside of a handful of important bits so I can't really say, but I think the consensus has been that they end up falling into a lot of the very same pitfalls for very similar reasons.

Though I think most people have agreed that Super is better by virtue of having at least a solid handful of well-written episodes, at least one really good arc, better moments on average, and the filler episodes actually being enjoyable.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80338: Mar 5th 2018 at 5:06:37 PM

It also has the benefit of modern animation.

Visually speaking this is some the best shit we've seen in the entire franchise though it doesn't happen as often as one would like.

Hold off on that question though till you've seen the original stuff that's not copy & pasting the movies.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80339: Mar 5th 2018 at 5:07:39 PM

[up][up]It's a topic alright...GT is fine.

edited 5th Mar '18 5:08:09 PM by randomness4

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80340: Mar 5th 2018 at 5:41:56 PM

[up][up][up] I don't think GT and Super are very different on the last points raised. There are some well written moments from GT as well. Or at least, relatively well written, which is the best either can aspire to.

The most convincing difference I've seen raised is that Super introduced some compelling characters and that gives it something left over after you sort out all the bad from both series. Indeed, I don't think GT introduced any new characters as interesting as Beerus, Whis or Hit. But two of those are really from BOG.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80341: Mar 5th 2018 at 5:46:01 PM

So just one really, Hit.

Beerus & Whis should not be considered Super characters. BOG premiered 2 years before Super & even then Super from what I recall Super made Beerus less likable then he was in the movie.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#80342: Mar 5th 2018 at 5:46:34 PM

Baby was pretty interesting imo.

This song needs more love.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80343: Mar 5th 2018 at 5:47:26 PM

Yeah Beerus hasn't really been used that we'll since BOG. He's hit and miss but has seemed better lately mostly because Goku is so bad he becomes the voice of reason.

[up] Baby's pretty fun, the main thing about the characters I mentioned is that they aren't villains so they stand out more.

edited 5th Mar '18 5:48:22 PM by Saiga

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#80344: Mar 5th 2018 at 5:53:10 PM

Like. The only things from GT that stand out as good are SSJ 4, Baby, and maybe Omega Shenron. Everything else is taken pretty negatively.

Whereas with Super pretty much every major transformation and villain is at minimum recognizable and well-received, even if the execution was botched.

Though that could very well be a product in the time each series was produced.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80345: Mar 5th 2018 at 5:56:50 PM

Yeah I think that is overly simplistic.

There are other traits that people like about GT - certain characterisations, Oob's fusion, etc - and even the Super stuff you've mentioned is pretty contested in parts.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#80346: Mar 5th 2018 at 5:56:50 PM

I wouldn't say SSB was well received. Also, there's no way Super's going to end half as well as GT ended.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80347: Mar 5th 2018 at 5:59:25 PM

Its the consequence of being an Interquel & the fact it set up plot-lines that have yet to be actually dealt with.

I mean they really can't do a Grand Finale in this show since what happens right afterwards is End of Z.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#80348: Mar 5th 2018 at 6:00:50 PM

If I'm being honest, I'd probably have to say I liked GT better than I've liked Super. Admittedly I watched it years ago so it, and its flaws, aren't fresh in my mind like Super, but there you go.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#80349: Mar 5th 2018 at 6:02:59 PM

I'll actually fully watch GT at some point so I can give a fair comparison. Admittedly I'm rather biased towards Super at the moment, though I doubt that bias will go away considering how much I love Beerus, the idea behind the Super Saiyan God forms, and the concept of the multiple universes.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80350: Mar 5th 2018 at 6:05:10 PM

I'll say this, Baby scared the shit outta me especially when he was just mauling Goku.

No Super antagonist has made me feel that fear though in its defense I was a child when watching GT while I am currently a young adult.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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