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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80176: Mar 4th 2018 at 1:04:46 AM

Something I'm wondering now is Jiren honorable or not?

Cause he has acted like such a huge prick that him going Worthy Opponent on Goku was weird.

I would have preferred if he underwent a villainous breakdown & panicked like the villains before him & launched that blast out of fear & despair than respect.

I don't want him to have a dignified defeat, he doesn't deserve it.

[up] Karrot is better than Veggie, that's why. Its a non-question really, he'll always be better cause he is in every conceivable way.

edited 4th Mar '18 1:05:48 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#80178: Mar 4th 2018 at 1:49:11 AM

[up] Yeah that was such great scene!

Edgar81539 Since: Mar, 2014
#80179: Mar 4th 2018 at 2:16:26 AM

The last 5 minutes were hype - but goddamn, Toei really went out of its way to recycle animation this episode. Literally the first part of the fight is recycled animation from Kefla's fight, down to the same blocks of rubble.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#80180: Mar 4th 2018 at 2:20:41 AM

[up][up][up][up]I think you demonize the character more than he is meant to be seen as, and I think you will be disappointed if you want the show to humiliate him as if he's a villain. Hell, aside from Roshi (and Grandpa Gohan if you count him), I'd say Jiren is the most good final boss of any arc in Dragon Ball. He's Lawful Neutral at absolute worst.

I wish Kafla had unlocked Super Saiyan 3 to fight Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku. It would've made her strength a bit easier to swallow, it would've been cool as fuck, and it would've paid off the earlier foreshadowing of them wanting the form and saying they'd achieve it "together".

[up]Just the Kamehameha, which takes up less time than you'd think, as I discovered on rewatches.

edited 4th Mar '18 4:22:41 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#80181: Mar 4th 2018 at 4:09:58 AM

I'm glad someone finally told Universe 11 to shut up. Why don't you all marry Jiren if you love him so damn much? Jeez.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#80182: Mar 4th 2018 at 4:35:49 AM

Jiren is the champ that they like while Goku is the underdog that (we) the audience are supposed to root for.......

"Mai waifu."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#80183: Mar 4th 2018 at 6:35:13 AM

Jiren is basically Ivan Drago from Rocky 4 - he doesn't really have much of a character, he's just an enormous strength for the protagonist to overcome.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#80184: Mar 4th 2018 at 8:38:55 AM

Which would be fine if they didn't build him up to be this mysterious figure and put more focus Goku mastering UI.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#80185: Mar 4th 2018 at 8:39:18 AM

Man, fuck this site.

edited 4th Mar '18 8:39:40 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#80186: Mar 4th 2018 at 8:54:00 AM

Hell, aside from Roshi (and Grandpa Gohan if you count him), I'd say Jiren is the most good final boss of any arc in Dragon Ball. He's Lawful Neutral at absolute worst.

Actually, now that Super's nearing its end, there's something I'd like to ask the thread. How would you guys rank the "final bosses" of each series in the franchise - Piccolo Jr., Kid Buu, Omega Shenron and Jiren?

Personally, I'd rank Piccolo as my favorite, followed by Kid Buu, then Jiren, then Omega Shenron.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#80187: Mar 4th 2018 at 8:57:33 AM

Piccolo isn't a final boss though.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#80188: Mar 4th 2018 at 8:59:34 AM

He wasn't? Then who'd you consider to be the final boss of the original Dragon Ball?

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#80189: Mar 4th 2018 at 10:07:18 AM

Piccolo Jr. is definitely the final boss, though he's played much more as an evolution of King Piccolo than as a seperate character to begin with.

I'd say he's the best, though to be fair the other three aren't great.

(I'm assuming we're going anime series seeing as we're treating DB and DBZ as seperate)

Piccolo Jr. is not only the reincarnation of Goku's worst enemy up to that point, he also stands between Goku and his long running goal of finally winning a Tenkaichi Budokai. He also has his fair share of wham moments, including reversing the Evil Containment Wave.

Compared to that, the final confrontation with Kid Buu doesn't feel nearly as personal, Omega Shenron was a great concept but poorly executed, and Jiren... well... let's hope he at least gives us a good fight going out.

edited 4th Mar '18 10:12:09 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80190: Mar 4th 2018 at 10:10:30 AM

THE FIEND

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#80191: Mar 4th 2018 at 10:25:56 AM

The original Dragon Ball isn't the end of a series. Dragon Ball is one continuous series.

If you have to use a trope, Jr. Is a Disc-One Final Boss.

So the only final bosses are: Kid Buu, Omega, and Jiren

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#80192: Mar 4th 2018 at 10:27:25 AM

If we're going by manga then it's a lot harder because the Super manga is taking a lot longer, and GT doesn't have a manga. But in that case Manga!Jiren might very well take it.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
AlphaVII Mecha and Waifu, become one! from A part of the endless starry sky Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Mecha and Waifu, become one!
#80193: Mar 4th 2018 at 11:07:08 AM

Anime Jiren is dead last for me. So boring as a character. Manga Jiren is pretty cool though, I agree.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80194: Mar 4th 2018 at 11:07:31 AM

So watching the dub version of the Black arc again makes me once again lament the decision to not use Future Trunks for the Tournament of Power.

Can you imagine him interact with the current versions of 17 and 18? That's golden Character Development for all three. Trunks fighting alongside two different versions of the two people he spent years trying to kill.

I don't know who decided not to keep him around, but they missed out badly.

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#80195: Mar 4th 2018 at 11:09:54 AM

What with time travel being illegal, I can't imagine that would go down well for U7.

Palkia62 Since: Feb, 2018
#80196: Mar 4th 2018 at 11:20:05 AM

I'm pretty sure Zeno could be easily persuaded to allow him to enter. In all fairness, it's probably less of risk entering future trunks than it is to enter frieza.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80197: Mar 4th 2018 at 11:22:13 AM

They could just not tell anyone he is from the future. Zeno is clearly not omniscient.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#80198: Mar 4th 2018 at 11:27:41 AM

[up]x5

Yeah, same. They don't care about Jiren. Haven't watched an episode for about a month now, not going to waste my time when they don't care....about anything, really. Heard they reused a lot of animation this episode too, which really shouldn't be happening this late.

Edgar81539 Since: Mar, 2014
#80199: Mar 4th 2018 at 11:27:54 AM

I have just realized we don't even have a Recycled Animation trope. All we have is the stock footage trope (that doesn't fit this example). Also the recycled animation on this episode was far more than the Kamehameha. They also reused the opening fight (once again).

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#80200: Mar 4th 2018 at 11:43:08 AM

...is Manga Jiren really that much better?

I suppose making Jiren paradoxically have a desire to protect his universe and then give up that desire for the sake of obtaining a wish, and then abandon that wish due to his previous desire is stronger characterization than him just being a silent, Arrogant Kung Fu Guy.

edited 4th Mar '18 11:46:02 AM by Soble

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