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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80151: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:05:38 PM

It's suppose to be less effective over time, not the same.

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:06:02 PM by randomness4

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80152: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:06:30 PM

Yeah, but the last zenkai we saw were the biggest ones

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#80153: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:06:49 PM

love how zenkai boosts just stopped being a thing

i suppose it has something to do with their boosts becoming negligible in the long run, maybe, but that also doesn't quite make sense considering [up]

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:07:08 PM by EpicBleye

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80154: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:07:10 PM

[up][up]When was that?

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:07:23 PM by randomness4

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80155: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:10:30 PM

[up] Vegeta's vs Freeza, Goku's zenkai from Ginyu (90,000 to 3,000,000) were the last zenkai we've known them to receive.

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#80156: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:12:51 PM

wait, really? wtf?

i thought that 90K was Ginyu in Goku's body, who hadn't adjusted, implying his power level was a lot lower than it should've been had Goku been in his own body.

so it probably wasn't 90K to 3 mil, and closer to like 1 mil to 3 mil. or something.

thas dumb

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:13:19 PM by EpicBleye

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80157: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:15:08 PM

Nope. If Goku was 1 million he'd have murdered Ginyu without using the Kaio-ken. if Ginyu was 90k he'd have murdered Gohan and Kuririn.

Goku with Kaio-ken was 180k, so 90k base. Ginyu-in-Goku was read at 23k and dropping.

Goku being 1 million at that stage would still be crazy, because that gravity training was mostly zenkai abuse anyway.

Blame Freeza's stupid power escalation.

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:15:46 PM by Saiga

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#80158: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:15:20 PM

I'm not sure why people think that making everyone else stronger will somehow take the spotlight away from Goku and Vegeta. They are the main characters, they're not just the strongest. No matter who else becomes strong, the focus will always remain on them.

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:19:49 PM by LordVatek

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80159: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:16:18 PM

Well I'm okay with anything as long as Saiyan's get challenged.

Like I want a scene where Vegeta goes "Saiyan's rock" & then someone else responds "Yo we got our own super-powered aliens that are doing pretty good against you guys so can ya please stop sucking your own dick bro?" tongue

I hope one of the four universes has something like that.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80160: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:16:34 PM

Yes, the writing priorities would need to change (which is possible but extremely unlikely), strength isn't as important.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#80161: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:30:04 PM

If Tori, Toyo and Toei do decide to make a new series after the upcoming movie, a lot of stuff will need to be planned out in advanced. Either Toriyama will have to step up from just making vague outlines, or he'll need to step down and let Toyotaro do his own thing and have Toei follow suit like how most manga and anime work. Toyo's a fanboy like the rest of us, so I know he knows more about DB that probably even Toriyama himself does at this point in time. And Toei, I know they can do some great animation if they put in the effort like they do with Precure.

If a new DB series is somehow in the works for 2019 or 2020, the Dragon Ball team will need to plan things out not just for the franchise's future, but also tie up loose ends that both the original manga and DBS might have created, instead of creating new plotholes.

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:31:34 PM by Rinsankajugin

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#80162: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:35:31 PM

What could the next film be about though?

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#80163: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:36:45 PM

Not sure, Toei keeps saying it's about "Saiyans", but that's like the vaguest topic when it comes to Dragon Ball. A trailer should be dropping when DBS ends, though.

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:37:10 PM by Rinsankajugin

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80164: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:37:36 PM

[up][up] We know what its about.

Its about the origin of the Saiyan race & the original Super Saiyan Yamoshi.

[up][up][up] All interesting thoughts. Like whats gonna happen to Goku now that he knows Ultra Instinct.

Cause that transformation is the epitome of O-fucking-P.

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:38:13 PM by slimcoder

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#80165: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:38:40 PM

Goku's zenkai from Ginyu wasn't the last one, Cell's was.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80166: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:39:56 PM

No, I mean the individual's last ones. Cell only had one, so we can't make a comparison of his zenkais.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80167: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:43:27 PM

I just realized...you said Veggie vs. Freezer was his last boost.

But he didn't get healed after he fought Freezer, he got healed after Kriller blasted him...and it didn't seem to do much.

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:43:52 PM by randomness4

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#80168: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:48:40 PM

He got healed to FIGHT Freeza, and he went to weaker than Freeza's first form to noticeably stronger than Piccolo or Gohan, as he was the only one able to react to Freeza's death beams

It's just that Freeza's final form is really broken

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#80169: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:49:11 PM

Well, if a new DB series were to progress beyond DBS, I would think they'd have to make it take place after the End of Z. Like, what if the place Goku took Uub to train was Beerus' planet? Considering Uub was born with the power of Kid Buu, his progress towards achieving Ultra Instinct wouldn't be too long. Obviously not as fast as Goku because Uub's a human, but still faster than most gods that were born regular people. Like, a good way of training Uub was if he and Goku explored the multiverse to fight other foes and find new friendly rivals along the way.

As for everyone else, maybe they could add in Goten and Trunks being sword-fighting teachers and hanging out with the Pilaf Gang and Marron, Krillin taking over Roshi's turtle school to rival Tien's dojo, Pan and Bra growing up to be martial artists. The real challenge would be thinking up of new villains and foes for the heroes to face. Like, who would Uub fight? Who would the Earth Fighters fight? Would they be Jiren-tier and how?

This is why I say there should be a lot of planning.

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:51:27 PM by Rinsankajugin

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80170: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:50:28 PM

[up][up]Well, it seems Kriller's a lot stronger than you thought.

Because that doesn't make any sense.

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:50:43 PM by randomness4

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80171: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:54:14 PM

Vegeta let him deal a fatal blow to him. He basically lowered his defense to absolute 0 & let him put a hole in him.

That's where the brokenness of Zenkai came from back then. All you have to do is almost die, heal & BLAM you get a power-boost.

Vegeta essentially exploited a kink in his bizarre biology to get an easy piwer-up. That's why when Frieza found out what he did he immediately killed Dende.

[down] Ha I see what I did there. tongue

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:56:16 PM by slimcoder

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80172: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:55:25 PM

"Raised his defense to 0"...

Okay then.

[up]I wasn't saying Veggie's actions didn't make sense, I was saying that the boost he got from Kriller didn't make sense.

edited 3rd Mar '18 11:57:14 PM by randomness4

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80173: Mar 4th 2018 at 12:02:02 AM

Well then Zenkai boosts don't make sense.

Its how it works, you almost die then you get stronger.

So vague of course it can not make sense.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80174: Mar 4th 2018 at 12:52:10 AM

Zenkai wasn't said to be based on the power of your opponent.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80175: Mar 4th 2018 at 1:01:01 AM

I know, it must be based on how close to death you are.

And even though Veggie was more dead-er than Karrot was after the Ginyu scuffle, Karrot still got the higher power boost.

I'll take most explanations, please.

edited 4th Mar '18 1:03:15 AM by randomness4

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