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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#80126: Mar 3rd 2018 at 9:37:24 PM

oh speaking of, I really want Demons (or whatever the demon realm race is called) to be playable in Xenoverse 3 (hopefully with a Demon God form as well...)

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#80127: Mar 3rd 2018 at 9:52:57 PM

That was... a time-chewing episode.

     

Episode 129: The Final Battle

"Oh you thought Jiren was at max power? Turns out he has more power."

"You thought Goku was going to lose? He's got even more limits to break!"

"Don't count Jiren out yet because he's going to use MORE power against Goku and Goku can't do sh't about it!"

"Ha hah, but Goku has even MORE potential and can MASTER this form, so hah, get F'CKED Jiren."

-next episode-

Episode 130: The REAL Final Battle

"Now for the real final battle Jiren..."

"You think you've won Son Goku! Hah, I haven't even taken off my shirt yet. -takes off shirt- and NOW we fight as warriors!"

On one hand, Beerus, Whis, and the gang chewing the scenery like this is an unforgivable waste of time.

On the other hand, Zeno imitating a Kamehameha was the cutest thing I have ever seen.

edited 3rd Mar '18 10:03:26 PM by Soble

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80129: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:02:26 PM

Okay I demand an explanation on where the Hell Goku is getting all this power from.

How the Hell can UI make him so strong exactly when the catalyst appeared to be nothing more than a simple spirit bomb?

To quote the characters "Where is all this heat coming from?"

edited 3rd Mar '18 10:03:50 PM by slimcoder

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80130: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:02:55 PM

Cute...?

In Dragon Ball...?

And it wasn't Gotendo...?

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#80132: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:04:00 PM

So is episode 129 the first time in the entire series Goku's been shirtless?

EDIT: By which I mean in Super. Smartasses.

edited 3rd Mar '18 10:04:23 PM by SonOfSharknado

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80133: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:07:33 PM

It kind of has to be the 1st time, doesn't it?

Because he wasn't shirtless in any prior battles...any I've watched.

edited 3rd Mar '18 10:08:22 PM by randomness4

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#80134: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:14:06 PM

[up][up][up]That's pretty much Deus Ex Machina.

This song needs more love.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#80135: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:19:32 PM

I love how Vegeta essentially pointed out how bullshit the saiyans are.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
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#80136: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:27:11 PM

Okay I demand an explanation on where the Hell Goku is getting all this power from.

How the Hell can UI make him so strong exactly when the catalyst appeared to be nothing more than a simple spirit bomb?

To quote the characters "Where is all this heat coming from?"

That very question was asked in 110, and Whis provided an answer. Goku wouldn't be this powerful if he had simply absorbed the Spirit Bomb, it's something different. The Spirit Bomb black hole pushed him to the brink of death and his refusal to die is what broke his limits, unlocking Ultra Instinct and allowing him to survive the Spirit Bomb. The power Goku's been pulling out in Ultra Instinct over time is a simple matter of his progressively getting better with the form and getting more used to using Ultra Instinct while attacking.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#80137: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:27:51 PM

[up][up]Kefla's "Hurray for being born a Saiyan!" conveyed the same.

edited 3rd Mar '18 10:28:04 PM by Eagal

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80138: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:31:36 PM

At the same time, when Goku previously pulled out Omen he was specifically using the Spirit Bomb as fuel to temporarily maintain the transformation. Against Kafla, he should have been out of energy to begin with, doubly so after Blue Kaio-ken, but he still managed to use it for a time anyway.

Now he should be even more out of energy with him being unable to even maintain Blue, but he can apparently use the form for a longer time without a fuel source.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#80139: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:33:24 PM

Of all the things to complain about, I'm honestly not sure if this is one of them. Where did the energy come from for the Super Saiyan transformations? Constantly saying the characters are out of strength without having them actually act like it aside, this is one thing I can let slide because it feels like transformations have always been this way.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#80140: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:34:20 PM

With the way he nearly died from the Spirit Bomb, got face-kicked by Kafla and got a 2nd massive pumbling from Jiren, I think Ultra Instinct might be activated when Goku somehow nearly dies, which then makes his mind stop and his body go on auto pilot. As for the energy, it seems that the power-up is triggered when he borrows energy (Spirit Bomb, Frieza, Vegeta). So the near-death experience combined with the borrowed energy causes Goku (and presumably other UI users) to reach Ultra Instinct. And that final clash between Jiren and Goku let him break through his limits even further without passing out like before.

As for how Goku mastered UI in only 3 years of Whis' training while other gods have tried achieving for millennia with no luck, I'm gonna just leave it to Saiyan biology. The other gods are just normal beings who have trained for an eternity to reach godhood, with a couple of 'em being humans (Helles and Vermoud), but Goku's Saiyan Blood is what got him past a lot of stuff in the past, and he already technically passed the god threshold when he surpassed Shin back in the Buu Saga. Those constant zenkais and power-ups, that's why Goku can reach powers that others haven't been able to before.

TL;DR, Goku's built his life on exploits. tongue

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#80142: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:35:52 PM

So UI is just the ultimate Zenkai?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80143: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:37:06 PM

So its all just more Saiyan wank? tongue

Okay now I'm getting fed up with them.

We need something to come in & put them in their place.

Or simply put it someone needs to steal their Zenkai cheat.

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#80144: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:38:46 PM

I don't think Vermoud is an Earthling, I think he just looks like that.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80145: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:41:04 PM

Outside of Kakarrot's 1st SSJ transformation, no other transformation in the series has ever recovered the character's energy.

They've not had the chance to.

edited 3rd Mar '18 10:42:10 PM by randomness4

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80146: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:42:26 PM

Of all the things to complain about, I'm honestly not sure if this is one of them. Where did the energy come from for the Super Saiyan transformations? Constantly saying the characters are out of strength without having them actually act like it aside, this is one thing I can let slide because it feels like transformations have always been this way.

Super Saiyan giving a second wind is fine, and UI giving a second wind would also be fine. But they explicitly established it as not doing that by having it require the Spirit Bomb to use as fuel. Then when Goku is even more exhausted, it no longer requires some form of power source. So it's inconsistent with what it established from the start.

edit: Also, UI giving a third and fourth wind would still be an issue, because Super Saiyan only ever did that the first time.

edited 3rd Mar '18 10:44:15 PM by Saiga

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#80147: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:43:08 PM

[up][up][up] You saying there's an alien species of clowns? You know how terrifying that shit sounds? Especially when one is a god that destroys planets?

edited 3rd Mar '18 10:43:17 PM by Rinsankajugin

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#80148: Mar 3rd 2018 at 10:44:16 PM

[up][up]Fair enough, then.

edited 3rd Mar '18 10:44:26 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80149: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:00:09 PM

Yeah the original Super Saiyan transformation was simpler compared to UI. Its become a bit .... uh convoluted now.

Also like that's the main reason why the Saiyan's are top dogs right, Zenkai boosts?

I mean they have transformations sure but Frieza has managed to keep pace on that.

Basically spread the Zenkai boostery all around, I'd like to see Vegeta's face when he finds out one of the core basis of the Saiyan pride isn't even uniquely their's in the first place. tongue

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80150: Mar 3rd 2018 at 11:03:50 PM

We need less zenkai, not more. While a cool idea it didn't have any defined limits on it which presented its own problems


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