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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80051: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:08:04 PM

What I'm saying is the writers are clearly trying to make us not think about Freeza being there for a dramatic last minute reveal. Problem is that it is incredibly obvious he still is, but they have shown a very low opinion of us, the audience, so far anyway.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#80052: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:08:10 PM

Maybe he's waiting to be a deus ex machina...

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#80053: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:10:46 PM

I liked that they brought back UIO's roaring.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#80054: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:12:28 PM

Like, in a more fast paced show, this might fly. Heck, in a manga you might be able to pull this shit. Ending things by subverting expectations was how, for example, the first arc ended, heck, it's how a lot of DB arcs ended really well.

But it's not appropriate for this one because the twist isn't being set up properly.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#80055: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:16:28 PM

Im sad negative goku isnt the new form, it looks really really cool.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80056: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:17:23 PM

Yup it is totally reliant on the viewer just completely forgetting Freeza is there. Even though we have more than established what happens when someone is knocked out with both the godpad and them appearing in the stands.

It is the same type of writing mindset that led to all of the "oh no he has zero energy," but is perfectly fine moments. They seem to think they can lead us to the conclusions they want by just putting cool explosions over the bad writing.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#80057: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:18:45 PM

I guess my thing though is what final thing can Freeza pull off now? Like, even if he is biding his time to try to pull some shenanigans after the tournament, he'd just get erased/hakai'd on the spot.

What I could see is Goku and Jiren's fight ending in a draw, but U7 wins by default since technically Freeza is still in.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#80058: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:20:07 PM

Yeah the rules mean there is going to be no way to surprise us with Freeza. He can't be eliminated and he can't be dead, as both of those would need to be addressed. So he's obviously still in, and it's really poor writing to have the characters pretend otherwise or try to make a twist with it.

Anyway, there were some cool moments this episode - the moment where Goku starts to counterattack, the ease with which Goku dismisses Jiren's super stronk attack, the galaxy-like aura that UI formed, Vegeta's speech (did not like referencing the other forms as set up for complete UI, because they were poorly handled, but I did like him pointing out that it is silly to write Goku off if he's still got potential to improve).

But man, the recycled animation is really jarring this episode. Especially the parts they just took from the opening, and recycled multiple times within the same episode. It's a real drag.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#80059: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:20:11 PM

I have no expectations from Dragon Ball other than cool explosions so it's all the same to me. Great episode. [tup]

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80060: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:21:26 PM

[up][up][up] Basically that. Either nothing will come from this aside from the victory and the show just ends or Freeza wishes for a hard reset or something similar that won't be explored now.

edited 3rd Mar '18 7:22:59 PM by Jedi1113

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80061: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:22:32 PM

While I liked that Vegeta defended Goku I could have done without the Saiyan dick-sucking.

I mean Cabba got the most humiliating defeat for one.

[up] Man there's so much poor writing in this finale.

edited 3rd Mar '18 7:23:18 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80062: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:23:49 PM

I wouldn't call it THE most humiliating.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80063: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:23:49 PM

His defense is pretty much "Saiyans have the proud ability to pull shit out of our asses."

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#80064: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:24:25 PM

I actually liked Vegeta's little moment. It felt like a very appropriate character beat. I do wish he had followed it up with a bit about how Goku in particular stood above every saiyan, I think that would have been nice. note 

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#80065: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:26:21 PM

I dont even understand how gohan beat his limit

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80066: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:27:32 PM

He beat his limits of disappointing his fans.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#80067: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:28:18 PM

Beerus channeling us viewers and telling the peanut gallery to shut up was my favorite moment.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#80068: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:28:47 PM

He did better than I ever hoped for him personally.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80069: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:28:53 PM

@Eagal so like a Micheal Bay movie. tongue

Gohan really didn't surpass any limits really. He just did as best as he could with what he got which is in a way is more praiseworthy than pulling shit outta your ass.

edited 3rd Mar '18 7:30:14 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#80071: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:30:09 PM

Yeah, about Beerus, judging by his angered yet happy facial expressions, does this mean Goku has finally surpassed him?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80072: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:30:44 PM

[up]X6

SHUT IT!!!

I'd say it's more like Gohan broke his old limit he'd fallen under again, though I'm sure all of you will use that to just shit on him again.

Anyway...nice fight. Gotta say, the true Ultra Instinct is hype. Makes me wish Toriyama had come up with this years earlier. I actually think it would have been a better thing for him to have than then actual Super Saiyan to be honest.

edited 3rd Mar '18 7:31:12 PM by HandsomeRob

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#80073: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:33:07 PM

Felt weird that Jiren's laser punches had a different color for some reason. Super hype episode though.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#80074: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:34:07 PM

[up][up][up][up] Though a rather offensive comparison.

DB has never devolved to the plain awfulness or shallowness of a Micheal Bay movie.

edited 3rd Mar '18 7:34:32 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#80075: Mar 3rd 2018 at 7:35:50 PM

Gohan surpassed his limits pre-tournament, going past his previous level in the Buu Saga into SSB level.


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