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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#79651: Feb 25th 2018 at 7:25:18 AM

It occurs to me that Toppo should have been more of a Heel in this scene

If you just made him nastier and more self-important then the scene would probably be less divisive. Vegeta's argument about Toppo giving up everything he values would have more impact if Toppo really did do that. Say if Toppo not only said that he, not his universe or his team, would survive at all costs. If he'd said that once he won he would go onto police the universe and remove all obstructions (not necessarily evil) once and for all.

Out of everyone in the tournament he was probably the most hostile toward Goku, preaching about how Goku put everyone in danger. Now here is, caring only about himself. So when Jiren calls him pathetic you kind of feel what he's saying. Toppo abandons all that he is not for the morally gray sake of protecting his universe, but solely because he's stopped giving a f'ck. And in doing so announces himself as a potential threat to his universe. And what does Jiren dislike in the manga? Threats to his universe.

So that when Vegeta stands up again, it really is like he's standing up to his former self, the selfish, vain, and uncaring space warrior in the goofy outfit.

Then to drive the parallel between the two home, have Toppo not get thrown out of the ring by Vegeta's explosion, completely out of power but still weighing more than Vegeta does soaking wet. note  But then Jiren comes up behind him and chucks his ass out of the ring.

Then after all of the universes get wished back we see Toppo serving a sentence, beginning his Redemption Arc that will be properly explored in Dragonball Super Season 2. It's not that he's a bad guy, but like so many other western superheroes, he was a good person twisted into something ugly.

edited 25th Feb '18 7:43:02 AM by Soble

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#79652: Feb 25th 2018 at 7:40:33 AM

Apparently the new form Vegeta got FINALLY was named in Heroes. It's called Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolution.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#79653: Feb 25th 2018 at 7:44:01 AM

How often does the DB cast just hang out anymore? Now it's all just almost a year long tournament that last for 48 minutes...the simpler times were good because simple.

Now they only seem to hang out together whenever it's a special occasion and that's no fun, most of them barely have occupations.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#79654: Feb 25th 2018 at 9:00:35 AM

Well, most of the cast gets cut out of the story until they are needed with a few exceptions, so that can't be helped.

Oh man. Just watched the episode where Trunks meets Adult Gohan.

Hearing him say he's going to save the future, when you know he's going to fail is so damned painful.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#79655: Feb 25th 2018 at 9:05:15 AM

It's consistent at least

Gohan always fails once he grows up

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#79656: Feb 25th 2018 at 9:50:44 AM

I'm pretty sure they meant Future Trunks. tongue

Speaking of which, the ending to the arc where Trunks fails is pretty pointless. Zeno wipes the slate, Trunks' future is no more. But then Trunks is put in an identical future, so he... basically wins anyway? Why not just have Trunks defeat Zamasu in that case? It seems like he only lost so it'd be a twist.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#79657: Feb 25th 2018 at 9:52:58 AM

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Well no. He still lost everything and needed to be placed in an Close-Enough Timeline, that he and Man are sharing with other versions of themselves.

I do agree it was pointless.

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#79658: Feb 25th 2018 at 10:10:34 AM

Gohan taught Trunks everything he knew, including how to grow up to be a failure

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#79659: Feb 25th 2018 at 11:55:08 AM

Good work. Lets do more to shit on Gohan and perpetuate that joke.

I just love it.

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Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#79660: Feb 25th 2018 at 12:15:17 PM

For the time today I watched Battle of Gods… and no, I still have no idea what's the point of Pilaf & co being here was. >.> There's literally 45 minutes of nothing in the middle.

But man I really love Beerus. He's the best thing that happened to Dragon Ball in a while.

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#79661: Feb 25th 2018 at 1:02:11 PM

So Vegeta's new form is officially called Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolution? Guessing the shortened version is going to either be Super Saiyan Evolution or Super Saiyan Blue Evolution.

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#79662: Feb 25th 2018 at 1:14:53 PM

Or call it Dragon Ball Evolution.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#79663: Feb 25th 2018 at 1:15:43 PM

Well that explains why Vegeta's new form sucks.

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#79664: Feb 25th 2018 at 1:16:11 PM

I am frankly offended that you would make that comparison.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#79665: Feb 25th 2018 at 1:17:09 PM

The term "Evolution" has forever been ruined in association with Dragon Ball. I am forced to assume that whoever named the form knew exactly what they were doing.

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#79666: Feb 25th 2018 at 1:17:33 PM

I'm still calling him Super Vegeta Blue

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#79667: Feb 25th 2018 at 1:18:09 PM

The name is very fitting.

Its barely an evolution really.

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#79668: Feb 25th 2018 at 1:23:42 PM

Golden Freeza was also originally named "ultimate evolution" before the name was revealed, so it's not like evolution is only associated with the garbage movie.

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#79669: Feb 25th 2018 at 1:27:43 PM

I can't believe Dragon Ball Evolution is canon now. Thanks Vegeta.

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#79670: Feb 25th 2018 at 1:55:33 PM

So how about that Funimation Dragon Ball?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#79671: Feb 25th 2018 at 1:59:10 PM

Zamasu is definitely British.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#79672: Feb 25th 2018 at 2:22:47 PM

And still a douche.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#79673: Feb 25th 2018 at 2:38:11 PM

Get your filthy ningen hands off of me, mortal.

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#79674: Feb 25th 2018 at 2:41:18 PM

Does he actually say Ningen?

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#79675: Feb 25th 2018 at 2:47:09 PM

Nah, he says mortal in the preview.


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