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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#79501: Feb 22nd 2018 at 8:13:25 AM

Because most of the time that's only when it would matter. Except Cell, when he just did it to get Trunks out of his way for a second, he didn't run away.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#79502: Feb 22nd 2018 at 8:13:41 AM

Because they are usually using it against characters who are way more powerful than them, so they can't hurt the other guys anyway.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79503: Feb 22nd 2018 at 8:16:55 AM

[up] That's actually a really good point.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
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#79504: Feb 22nd 2018 at 8:18:36 AM

It'd probably be handy in evenly matched... matches where the outcome could go either way

I don't know that there are many of those in dbz though

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#79505: Feb 22nd 2018 at 8:21:39 AM

oh my god the goddamned solar flare

Goku could have:

  • done his Kienzan trick and then Solar Flare'd Jiren the moment he fell off.
  • if Jiren was about to leap back up, Flare him so he hits a wall and keeps falling
  • if the flare doesn't slow him down, IT over to him and down-smash, and then IT back to Vegeta
  • if Goku doesn't have time, down-smash Jiren anyway and let Vegeta and 17 take care of Toppo and Dyspo

edited 22nd Feb '18 8:41:58 AM by Soble

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#79506: Feb 22nd 2018 at 8:23:55 AM

What was this about Krillin improving the Solar Flare? I actually think Goku used it during the tournament and Krillin thought about it, but I don't remember the context or effect at all.

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#79507: Feb 22nd 2018 at 8:29:28 AM

The Solar Flare x100 is a variation that doesn't just blind your opponent but also masks your ki signature, presumably because the Solar Flare is just a very bright ki explosion. Goku didn't use it in the tournament, he used Krillin's trick of directing Kienzan to destroy the ground beneath the opponent's feet. Krillin did use it in the tournament, but it was foiled by Majora being blind and navigating by scent.

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#79508: Feb 22nd 2018 at 8:30:40 AM

oh my god this could have all been over if Goku just used the solar flare like not an idiot

edited 22nd Feb '18 8:30:47 AM by EpicBleye

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#79509: Feb 22nd 2018 at 8:31:17 AM

But then it turns out the reason Jiren's eyes are black like they are is because they act as protective lenses against all manners of light.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#79510: Feb 22nd 2018 at 8:32:27 AM

The simplest way to beat Jiren would have been for Goku to pull a Cell and teleport himself and Jiren to the bench.

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#79511: Feb 22nd 2018 at 8:32:53 AM

He did stare directly into the pillar of light created by Goku going Ultra Instinct for the first time without flinching. Actually, I can't think of a single time Jiren has shielded his eyes.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#79512: Feb 22nd 2018 at 8:48:16 AM

Goku: Solar FLARE!

Jiren: Ah... so you think the sun is your ally... but you merely adopted the sun, Goku. I was born in it, molded by it... I didn't know of the dawn until I was already a man. By then it was nothing to me but blinding! -decks Goku-

edited 22nd Feb '18 1:11:19 PM by Soble

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#79513: Feb 22nd 2018 at 9:05:32 AM

Turns out Heroes might be getting amiibo-like figures.

The scan calls them "skills", pretty bland name if I do say so myself. I also added some high quality images of things that were shown off last time, such as the Ultimate Dragon Fist cards and the dreaded Zenoball.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#79514: Feb 22nd 2018 at 9:26:39 AM

Lets be honest. If Goku had used the Solar Flare, Jiren would have had some kind of counter towards it.

Most techniques in Dragonball exist to undergo The Worf Barrage. They are there to be countered by Goku or the enemy he's fighting.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#79515: Feb 22nd 2018 at 10:39:21 AM

"I've spent 20 years training my eyes to avoid things like this. Why did you think my glare was so powerful?"

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#79516: Feb 22nd 2018 at 10:53:29 AM

Pretty much.

Though at least it had the honour of actually working a few times before it failed.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79517: Feb 22nd 2018 at 11:07:59 AM

Or just, you know, ki sensing. (Though Krillin's improved version exists to mask that. Maybe Jiren's training allows him to sense outright life energy. Or maybe he can hear his opponent breathing.)

edited 22nd Feb '18 11:08:19 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#79518: Feb 22nd 2018 at 11:08:34 AM

NVM.

edited 22nd Feb '18 11:12:45 AM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#79519: Feb 22nd 2018 at 11:36:50 AM

Glare beats Flare...

Seems legit, don't it?

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#79520: Feb 22nd 2018 at 11:44:57 AM

Krillin's improved version was blatant filler that ammounted to nothing. Red Herring through and through.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#79521: Feb 22nd 2018 at 11:50:48 AM

They didn't say it would be that useful, did they?

They didn't even give the new version to anyone else...

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#79522: Feb 22nd 2018 at 12:10:22 PM

The simplest way to beat Jiren would have been for Goku to pull a Cell and teleport himself and Jiren to the bench.

If Goku was smart, half of the conflicts in this series probably wouldn't have happened.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#79523: Feb 22nd 2018 at 12:13:38 PM

Hey that's not fair, he's not the only stupid one. It's a team effort, everyone works to make their lives harder than they need to be.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#79524: Feb 22nd 2018 at 12:14:37 PM

  • If the Saiyans were smart and the humans less smug

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#79525: Feb 22nd 2018 at 1:16:26 PM

One of the things I learned about Dragonball is that everyone is an idiot and shortsighted on some level especially Goku. It seems like most of everyone's problems in this series comes ignorance and/or arrogance.

"Mai waifu."

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