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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#79426: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:27:54 PM

Jiren was never intended to be Superman.

edited 21st Feb '18 4:28:33 PM by Ikedatakeshi

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#79427: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:31:28 PM

Blame that on the jokes...

People took them seriously...

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#79428: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:31:38 PM

Exactly. Jiren was intended to be "generic badass dude" to Japanese audiences.

Any Superman parallels are just Western fans projecting.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#79429: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:37:58 PM

Hey at least Superman would have been interesting, at least more than what we got.

Actually I've been thinking about this but Jiren hits a lot of the points of the Batman stereotype.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#79430: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:40:25 PM

Does the stereotype include being humorless?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#79431: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:40:39 PM

Kind of funny considering Goku's own Superman parallels

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#79432: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:44:53 PM

[up][up] That is one of the stereotypes.

A poorly written Batman can be completely dour to the point of having no charisma, psychopathic, overtly violent, boringly or infuriatingly OP, a extreme jackass, use his backstory to force undeserved sympathy on him without going into any actual depth aside from the bare facts, just generally a lot of things Jiren has.

Not as bad as Frank Miller Batman but still pretty bad.

edited 21st Feb '18 4:45:58 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#79433: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:47:32 PM

HIS PARENTS ARE DEEEEEEAD -slap-

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Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#79434: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:56:46 PM

Jiren is basically what people who don't like Superman think Superman is like. No personality, boring, and all around generic. Which is totally wrong by the way.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#79435: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:01:17 PM

So, what would some of you think of the next series after the movie adapting Android 21?

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#79436: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:03:53 PM

[up][up]

It's not just the people who don't like Superman that think that about him, btw. He's very...bland, compared to some other DC heroes.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#79437: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:04:22 PM

If they're going to include her, I'd hope they do something with her beyond adding her to the cast to just get punched in the face so the Saiyans can look good when they bail her out of a bad situation.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#79438: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:10:32 PM

Once Superman stopped gaslighting people it's like all the joy went out of his life

Although honestly given the choice between Superman and Hal Jordan, I'd go with Supes

edited 21st Feb '18 6:04:23 PM by Bocaj

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#79439: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:21:14 PM

Barry Allen is better than both.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#79440: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:21:39 PM

I'd go with Wally West.

Also John Stewart & J'onn J'onzz.

edited 21st Feb '18 5:22:28 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#79441: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:26:14 PM

Jiren looks more like J'onn when you think about it.

I also agree that I hope they don't just have 21 lose so that Goku can look good. The latter doesn't really need it to be honest. If they adapt Fighterz, they should definitely focus more on the 21 arc than anything else. That also means making it up to 18 for some subpar treatment in the Universe Survival Arc.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#79442: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:35:00 PM

Jiren isn't a proper Superman analogy until he repeatedly murders his girlfriend, gaslights his friend/adoptive son, and keeps picking fights with the rest of the Pride Troopers.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#79443: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:42:45 PM

Huh........ if all this him acting like an asshat, murdering 17, generally risking the salvation of his universe to make a point is a convoluted attempt to teach them all a valuable lesson then he truly is Superman.

[up][up] J'onn would hate him though.

edited 21st Feb '18 5:43:20 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#79444: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:46:50 PM

Seriously. There is nothing about current Jiren that MM would like...he'd be irritated by Jiren's antics.

edited 21st Feb '18 5:47:16 PM by hardcorefakes

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#79445: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:59:00 PM

He is not likable at all & this goes beyond earning the displeasure of the pure-hearted MM.

Jiren is a prick but it is worsened by how aggressively boring he is. See Frieza & Cell are utter pricks but we love them cause they have charisma, there likable pricks. Hell even though Cell may get criticized for generic doomsday villainy his VA manages to install so much personality in him that you just can't help but to love the body-sucking bug.

Buu while may not be as likable possessed a brutal savagery & was a no nonsense nemesis making him an effective antagonist cause Buu (2 & 3) did not fuck around so at least you were scared of him.

Jiren lacks charisma & effectiveness rendering him an extremely dis-likable character not even in the Love to Hate level. You just want him to go away forever.

edited 21st Feb '18 7:21:12 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#79446: Feb 21st 2018 at 6:02:45 PM

Jiren should taken a page from Silver Age Superman in terms of superdickery.

"Mai waifu."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#79447: Feb 21st 2018 at 6:58:27 PM

I mean Buu fucking around was kind of his characteristic trait that set him apart from Cell or Frieza. I wouldn't say that Buu was no-nonsense until he started absorbing people, even if he could be exceptionally efficient at getting rids of tons of people when the mood struck.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#79448: Feb 21st 2018 at 7:04:37 PM

He was weirdly chessmastery too as Super Buu

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#79449: Feb 21st 2018 at 7:20:28 PM

Boo wasn't no-nonsense until he became Super Boo...

Then he killed interest...via absorption.

edited 21st Feb '18 7:21:35 PM by randomness4

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#79450: Feb 21st 2018 at 7:22:13 PM

Okay yeah Fat Buu wasn't exactly no nonsense but he was effective.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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