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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#79301: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:09:50 PM

Let's keep jojo out of this i get a lot of mileage out of that show

Let's pick on My Hero Academia that show sucks <.<

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#79302: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:10:53 PM

Jojo is fun...it's also really repetitive, you have to admit. Repetition isn't inherently a bad thing (though, there are obviously limits).

edited 19th Feb '18 7:11:26 PM by LSBK

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#79303: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:11:40 PM

A good chunk of Stardust Crusaders can pretty much be summed up as "Polnareff does something dumb, Jotaro solves everything with punches".

This song needs more love.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79304: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:12:37 PM

[up][up]No?

Jo Jo is far from repetitive. Every arc is entirely different, from Pride and Prejudice and Vampires to Friendly Neighbourhood Gang-stars to How the West was Weird.

Also, yes, some of the early fights in part 3 can be a bit samey. Like, about 3 or 4. Araki takes a while to figure out how stands should work but once he does we're off to the races and a flubbed Jo Jo fight is a rare sight.

edited 19th Feb '18 7:14:26 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#79305: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:14:26 PM

And from what I've seen each of those "very different arcs" is filled with a set of repeating elements for that arc. Again, that doesn't make it bad, but it is definitely there.

You're the one acting as if that's an inherent negative.

edited 19th Feb '18 7:15:47 PM by LSBK

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#79306: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:14:44 PM

Eh. The visual and musical design between each Part though makes it hard to see the repetition.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79307: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:15:15 PM

No, they aren't. They aren't repetitive. You might occassionally find fights that are similar to one another, but the arcs don't just have different feels to them, they often have entirely different structures.

edited 19th Feb '18 7:16:07 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#79308: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:15:17 PM

That isn't an accurate description of the parts at all.

Jojo has moments of big shake ups like the introduction of stands (making the first two parts Early Instalment Weirdness) but it definitely keeps a similar tone and plot structure most of the way through. Hell, a lot of pre-Stand abilities just work like poorly explained stands.

And once stands come in the series becomes incredibly repetitive.

A lot of the differences - like setting or cast make up - are very superficial

edited 19th Feb '18 7:16:11 PM by Saiga

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#79309: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:15:41 PM

I mean its not like everything doesn't get a little repetitive now & then really.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#79310: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:15:52 PM

I think what LSBK means is the "Stand of the week" aspect of it.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79311: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:18:42 PM

That's completely wrong.

First of all, the first two parts aren't early instalment weirdness. They have their own great moments. I mean, Hamon obviously didn't have the staying power of stands but it did provide for a lot of great manuvers.

Secondly, the different settings often lead to completely different structures. Half the shit that happens in part 4 aren't even really fights, they're just encounters with people who have stands.

There are two parts which focus on stand of the week (and they're probably the weakest parts with stands overall) - 3 and 5. But even then, the fact that part 3 is spent hunting someone down while most of part 5 is spent protecting someone gives a completely different strategic element to the fights.

edited 19th Feb '18 7:20:32 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#79312: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:18:55 PM

Yeah the fights themselves can be interesting but the series structure as a whole is about as typical Monster of the Week as they come.

This song needs more love.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#79313: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:18:58 PM

I'm just gonna derail this with a dub vs. sub clip.

Gotta say, Sean's Black is pretty damn good when listened alongside Nozawa's.

[up][up] No, it's very much early installment weirdness as Hamon completely ceases being a thing once Stands are introduced.

edited 19th Feb '18 7:19:42 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#79314: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:21:51 PM

Early instalment weirdness has nothing to do with perceived quality, it's how the early series has elements that can seem unusual AFTER the series has better found its identity. And the early series has this in full force, regardless of how good the early stuff is.

Also, 'encounter with stand' is ultimately not that much different from fights. It's just, stand appears, deal with it, move on to next stand.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79315: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:22:25 PM

That's incredibly reductive.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#79316: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:22:43 PM

[up][up][up]I'd say both sub and dub are pretty good.

[up]How so?

edited 19th Feb '18 7:22:58 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#79317: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:23:05 PM

Right. Couldn't find any good tunes, accept for the birth of Fused Zamasu with the Ultimate Kars theme, which I'm 50% sure I posted before.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#79318: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:23:30 PM

[up][up] DB usually has good voice-acting after all.

edited 19th Feb '18 7:25:37 PM by slimcoder

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#79319: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:24:21 PM

[up][up][up][up] you're not really presenting an argument at this point

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79320: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:24:29 PM

Because if you do that you could argue that any long running show is just a long series of fights. And by that I mean any if you're willing to group encounters that don't actually involve combat as fights.

Jo Jo has entirely different feels depending on, for example, core cast size - for example, large in 4 and 5, medium in 3 and 1, small in 7 and 2 - which completely changes character dynamics every part.

Each part changes other factors as well - for example, some parts have characters try to hide their identity, some parts have vampires who can't go out in the sun as the antagonists, changing how encounters work, most parts have villains who want macguffins, but far from all, etc.

edited 19th Feb '18 7:27:12 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#79321: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:25:11 PM

[up][up][up]Why isn't that "always" in quotes?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#79322: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:26:10 PM

That's not what anyone is saying though. Not that they should count as fights, but calling them encounters doesn't change the nature of what they are or that they're largely similar.

Seems more like you're getting caught up on semantics.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79323: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:29:54 PM

I'm not talking about semantics, I'm talking about presentation and feel. There's an entirely different atmosphere between, say, part 3 and part 4, that filters into everything about everything. In part 3, every side character met is more or less moved off the board as they move along. In part 4, side characters often pop up again in odd ways after they're first encountered. This is a development that comes from moving the scale from road trip to town.

"stand appears, deal with it, move on to next stand." Most definitely doesn't happen with part 4, because quite a few stand users turn up again in unusual roles later on.

edited 19th Feb '18 7:32:04 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#79324: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:31:40 PM

That's one difference but doesn't change the overall repetitive nature of stand altercations

Nobody said each arc was exactly the same

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#79325: Feb 19th 2018 at 7:34:53 PM

but it definitely keeps a similar tone and plot structure most of the way through.

I would argue Parts 1-4 aren't that similar. Giant Englishman on a quest to hunt the vampire who wronged him - giant British teenager gets roped into a quest against three ancient Mayan supermodels who wronged him, - giant Japanese teenager gets roped into a quest against ancient British vampire who wronged him - humble Japanese teenager gets roped into solving the murder of a dead teen by a man who did absolutely nothing to Josuke personally.

See, nothing similar at all.

edited 19th Feb '18 7:47:28 PM by Soble

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