Sigh....
It's really dumb because when your enemy has an ability to devour energy giving them energy is not - or should not be - a good strategy.
This would at least make the fight stand out as interesting - also, Goku being able to defeat his opponent with a weaker form than the one Vegeta used would logically make Vegeta more jealous.
edited 19th Feb '18 5:58:26 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Sigh...
and unless you're working under the impression the enemy won't have limits and is power-up from it, neither of which seemed to be the case, exploiting that limit when you'll clearly have way more power left over isn't stupid.
I mean, then they shouldn't come up with "solutions", that still give the enemy what they want.
edited 19th Feb '18 5:57:12 PM by LSBK
That.... that is specifically what we were discussing. Interesting abilities that didn't relate to power levels. I didn't start this conversation. I merely brought up a fight from DBZ as an example.
Also, Goku had no way of knowing his enemy had a limit. Yes, he did have one, but if he didn't all Goku would have done is waste a lot of effort and make him stronger.
Heck, if Goku wanted to try that, why didn't he fire off a bunch of Solar Flares?
edited 19th Feb '18 5:59:29 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"The Kaioken does relate to power, and there's no reason to assume that Yakon couldn't eat its aura either. That's why including it doesn't make sense as a part of the solution to the thing you're complaining about.
And why should Goku assume Yakon didn't have a limit, or that he wouldn't be able to make him reach it with easy? Nothing about how that battle had been going at that point warranted thinking either of those things.
edited 19th Feb '18 6:00:52 PM by LSBK
Okay, maybe I have Yakon wrong, but the specific power he describes is the ability to eat light, so I'm assuming auras that don't produce light he can't eat.
Also, when formulating a strategy, you don't assume limitations that you have no way of knowing are there.
edited 19th Feb '18 6:01:43 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Because Yakon only starts sucking away when Goku goes SSJ? Characters are always producing some sort of aura by Z, it's usually a sort of blank white one unless they're using a transformation.
edited 19th Feb '18 6:03:52 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"I get you Sigil. I've wondered if the Power scale got too high as well (and have complained about it myself, mostly due to how it meant pushing other characters out)
That being said, it is what it is. There's not much else to say about it.
One Strip! One Strip!The fight went that way because it's the Buu saga and Toriyama liked drawing goofy fights.
Yakon EATS light, he soesnt powerup. And overeating is athing.
It takes Goku two seconds to test 2 at no risk to him, so it's a no brainer
Your idea does not fit Vegeta's motivation - Kaio-ken is irrelevant in their fight
Also Goku isnt ASSUMING a limit, he's testing it
edited 19th Feb '18 6:06:57 PM by Saiga
... huh
I forgot Vegeta beat Pui Pui in his base state. You'll forgive me, it's probably the single most forgettable fight in Z.
Either way, Goku should have tried the solar flare. It produces more light, with less of an energy cost.
edited 19th Feb '18 6:06:42 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"You're right, it is an assumption. I assume, because people aren't blinded by the aura whenever someone goes SSJ that it doesn't produce as much light. I also assume, given that Tien was able to perform it at the 22nd Budokai and that it isn't a technique that ever needs more power put into it than at that point, that it is significantly less taxing than going into Super Saiyan.
Assumptions. But far from unsubstantiated assumptions.
edited 19th Feb '18 6:14:52 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"I am now curious as to how the Solar Flare would have affected Yakon now.
I mean, an attack so bright it blinds everyone might have been able to produce quite a lot of light. Maybe more than even a Super Saiyan aura.
Guess we'll never know however, and it doesn't really matter anyway.
One Strip! One Strip!And yet, Goku specifically mastered Super Saiyan to make it feel natural, and only briefly flashed 2 while Yakon was sucking him. Can't really compare that.
Furthermore, Solar Flare may be blinding, but the 1 - 2 chang in light seems to be based on power - Yakon eating light already isn't scientific, I wouldn't assume it is measured by brightness when they act like there is real 'weight' behind it.
I'm just using it as an example of an area where DB could have had an interesting fight but instead it was a complete waste because a potentially interesting ability is neutered by a character just powering up.
Like Hit's.
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Something like that seems like it would've been stated...not just happening and ignored.
edited 19th Feb '18 6:27:58 PM by randomness4
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That doesn't fit the fight at all. Vegeta sensed that Goku was stronger than him, which is what pissed him off
Kaio-ken isn't relevant in a fight between Vegeta and Goku.
Also, work smarter, not harder. Goku was able to one-shot Yakon with 2, so he did. He actually already demonstrated that he could find Yakon (even without ki sensing, which is why Solar Flare x100 is stupid) and didn't even need Super Saiyan to fight him, he just did that for convenience.