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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79226: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:00:37 PM

Honestly I'd just rather Dragonball just didn't introduce any new forms at all.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#79227: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:02:44 PM

Keep it something that can't be overcome...

That would require actually sparing its use...

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#79228: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:07:21 PM

Certainly would have made the power scaling more consistent if they didn't give them so many forms.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#79229: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:13:28 PM

New forms would be fine if they had better reasons for them and I like the way Blue peogressed through the manga (though you could do a similar thing with 2 and 3 to flesh those out more).

If you're going to continue the story after the Boo arc and keep Goku as the lead, a new form is a good way to make him stronger than Gohan without lamely nerfing Gohan or just having Goku close that huge gap via basic training/having Gohan not train.

Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#79230: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:13:30 PM

At this point, the power scaling has gotten to where there is basically no room to go up. Once Goku beats Jiren, that shows he's stronger than a god of destruction. After that, you have the angels, then Zeno. Unless they plan on revealing somebody even stronger than Zeno, Goku can only get so much stronger till there is no one else above him. The best plan in my opinion is just to start fresh with a new set of characters in the Dragon Ball world, but that's unlikely to happen.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#79231: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:14:57 PM

Ultimate Universe.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#79232: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:16:09 PM

What if.... you turned Goku into a kid again???

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#79233: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:16:40 PM

Eew, no Ultimate Universe. The actual Ultimate Universe imploded under the weight of its own suck. tongue

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#79234: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:19:11 PM

[up][up] And then they could go on an adventure to find the Dragon Balls all around the universe! What could possibly go wrong?

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#79235: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:19:16 PM

I'm fine with there not being much upward movement past Jiren. Freeza, Hit, and Goku Black were all around the same general realm of power, and that worked fine because they all presented Goku with a different type of challenge.

Blackie My son is a dumbass Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
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#79236: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:19:46 PM

They wish back the other six (?) universes and they are even stronger.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#79237: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:20:18 PM

Yeah but the Ultimate Universe started out AWESOME and it was only because people started to see it as a playground for ideas too awful/grimedgy for the main books that it turned bad.

edited 19th Feb '18 5:36:37 PM by Saiga

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#79238: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:21:42 PM

What if.... you turned Goku into a kid again???

...step into the grand tour. A brand new adventure begins; another challenge for Goku and his friends.

edited 19th Feb '18 5:23:42 PM by Soble

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#79239: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:39:23 PM

Instead of progressively stronger enemies, just make enemies that have inventive abilities that challenge Goku and Co.'s abilities. I liked that about Hit and Zamasu. Even Toppo being able to use low-grade Hakai to destroy energy attacks was pretty neat.

Of course, all of those fights were resolved by just powering up and hitting them even harder...

edited 19th Feb '18 5:39:31 PM by Hobgoblin

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79240: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:42:40 PM

[up] Yeah, that was the problem with Hit. His ability is useless if you're not in nearly the same ballpark - if you are, that can be really cool (like the fight with Dypso, one of the highlights of the To P) but otherwise if you're weaker then he would win anyway and if you're stronger then it isn't going to make a difference.

The other problem is that for most characters all stats increase linearly - there are no Mighty Glaciers, Stone Walls, Fragile Speedsters. The strongest character will also be the fastest, etc. This was what was great about Magetta, he defied all of that.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#79241: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:43:24 PM

Well, That was Toei as opposed to Toriyama.

That being said, the solution to an enemy having a special ability is usual to just be stronger than them anyway.

I do wish Toriyama had put a bit of a cap on that, but at the same time, some of the best battles the series has had were born out of that escalation.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#79242: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:47:10 PM

Its the benefit of other universes.

Now they can introduce fellow powerful individuals who underwent their own trials & tribulations same as Goku.

Is why the newer characters are having more diverse abilities than before.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79243: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:47:58 PM

What's wierd is that one of the fights in the Buu saga - with Yakon, I believe - was won by powering up when you could have written it totally differently. He can see in the pitch darkness of his planet, and when Goku went Super Saiyan to create light with the aura, Yakon ate it. So Goku just went Super Saiyan strongly enough that Yakon ate it all, and bloated up and died.

That's asinine. Why didn't they just have Goku use Kaiokenx 20 as the powerup and have him sense Yakon via ki? The entire point is for Vegeta to get jealous of Goku. Surely winning his fight with a much weaker transformation would make Vegeta more jealous, be a good callback to an ability that Goku didn't have much call for anymore, and also be a cool way to get around Yakon's power.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#79244: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:49:41 PM

Why would the Kaioken change anything in that situation? Are you just assuming that aura doesn't produce any light?

edited 19th Feb '18 5:50:03 PM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79245: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:51:02 PM

It doesn't shine like SSJ does.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#79246: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:51:33 PM

Goku didn't need to win the fight that way. He'd already shown that he could perfectly sense Yakon's movements via ki sensing. He just did that to show Yakon that he was way too powerful for the latter to eat all his energy.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#79247: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:52:03 PM

And you're assuming that because, what, it isn't yellow? Presumably all of the auras are giving off some light, considering they're visible.

edited 19th Feb '18 5:52:36 PM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79248: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:52:56 PM

[up][up] Exactly, but beating Yakon that way is just... really dumb. Why doesn't Yakon just get really powerful?

edited 19th Feb '18 5:53:21 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#79249: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:53:34 PM

Why is it really dumb? This just sounds like you wanting to see the Kaioken again.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#79250: Feb 19th 2018 at 5:54:30 PM

The animal has a limit.

You can only eat so much.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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