Let's be honest, the only reason anyone put up with Vegeta was because they had no way to get rid of him and then Bulma brought him in in the same way when someone in your social group brings their SO that no one likes but you have to put up with.
Like, Freeza is a far, far worse monster, but when you get to "ten planets genocided" and "1000 planets genocided"... you really don't want to associate with either.
Let's look at the rest though, just for a recap:
- Bulma: Unscrupulous Dragonball Hunter
- Yamcha + Puar: Bandit
- Roshi: Massive pervert
- Oolong: Child kidnapper
- Krillin: ...was kind of a dick at first?
- Tien: Leg-breaker and wannabe assassin
- Chaotzu: Wannabe assassin
- Yajirobe: possible cannibal
- Chi-Chi: unreasonably angry all the time
- Piccolo: Tyrannical demon
- Vegeta: Genocidal Space Pirate
- Android 18 + 17: Carjackers, arrest resisters and attempted murderers
- Freeza: Genocidal Space Emperor
All of his associates were douchebags in one way or another before he met them and possibly after.
edited 17th Feb '18 8:23:56 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Chi Chi seems pretty reasonably angry really
I'd say her flaw was forcing Goku to uphold a promise he didn't understand when he made it
Forever liveblogging the AvengersEpisode 128:
- It would seem that Goku has learned the Hokuto no Shinken: Muso Tensei
- Jiren all you have to do is grab Vegeta's arm drag him to the edge and literally chuck him like a f'cking stone and he'd be out why do you not do this
- Longest two minutes ever. Of all time.
- Hey pssst Goku pssst Goku! Yeah, Vegeta's out but Freeza's still down there somewhere, and literally all you have to do is take few more hits from Jiren until the clock runs out
- psst Jiren hey Jiren, yeah, just wanted to stop by and let you know that YOU ARE ON THE CLOCK MOTHERF'CKER
- Why did Freeza show up in Goku's mind instead of Goten or Chi-Chi?
- Vegeta blew himself up and survived, 17 blew himself up and died, and Vegeta, despite blowing himself up and being pronounced as being out of power, is able to give Goku just enough energy to go Blue, which still does dick against Jiren, and then Goku is able to UL-TRA INSTINCT and even punch Jiren in the colon what are these power levels my god
- I swear to god everything the audience was saying after Goku transformed was so meta it hurt
- Goku White confirmed for Dragon Fighter Z and Xenoverse 3
edited 17th Feb '18 8:43:23 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!This episode really overestimated how much I was going to care about watching Vegeta getting beat up. This would have worked a lot better if Vegeta didn't already have like...two other "last stand" moments.
The second half was a lot better, but damn...at this point, I just want it to end.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.As people have said before I think having the first Goku vs Jiren ep and UI reveal being 20 eps from the final was a mistake. It made all these other encounters with Jiren 100% pointless padding since we know only UI is strong enough to fight him.
featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series?
edited 17th Feb '18 9:40:44 PM by Jedi1113
This arc has been a disaster writing wise.
Super's worst flaws are in full effect here & the end-product is something simply inconsistent & just plain incoherent only saved by occasional moments of actually good animation.
They took what should have been an extremely heartwarming & sweet moment in Vegeta's desire to fight for his family & ruined it by making it feel manufactured & repetitive.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Specific to Jiren, revealing Ultra Instinct as the hard counter before actually using it for anything other than showing off was a mistake. If they had saved it for Kefla, then we could go "Oh, so THAT's how Goku's going to win." As is, any fight with Goku from UI#1 to now is just "Is Goku going to master Ultra Instinct yet?"

1. Just so I know (even though I’m pretty certain that I’m not going to like the answer): is the danger that come with the tournament of power (I.e. getting erased from existence) really Goku’s fault?
2. How much is Goku really willing to go in order to protect Chi-Chi, Gohan, Videl, Pan and Goten and make certain that they are alive and safe from harm?