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srebak Since: Feb, 2011
#78976: Feb 17th 2018 at 8:18:51 PM

1. Just so I know (even though I’m pretty certain that I’m not going to like the answer): is the danger that come with the tournament of power (I.e. getting erased from existence) really Goku’s fault?

2. How much is Goku really willing to go in order to protect Chi-Chi, Gohan, Videl, Pan and Goten and make certain that they are alive and safe from harm?

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#78977: Feb 17th 2018 at 8:18:54 PM

Let's be honest, the only reason anyone put up with Vegeta was because they had no way to get rid of him and then Bulma brought him in in the same way when someone in your social group brings their SO that no one likes but you have to put up with.

Like, Freeza is a far, far worse monster, but when you get to "ten planets genocided" and "1000 planets genocided"... you really don't want to associate with either.

Let's look at the rest though, just for a recap:

  1. Bulma: Unscrupulous Dragonball Hunter
  2. Yamcha + Puar: Bandit
  3. Roshi: Massive pervert
  4. Oolong: Child kidnapper
  5. Krillin: ...was kind of a dick at first?
  6. Tien: Leg-breaker and wannabe assassin
  7. Chaotzu: Wannabe assassin
  8. Yajirobe: possible cannibal
  9. Chi-Chi: unreasonably angry all the time
  10. Piccolo: Tyrannical demon
  11. Vegeta: Genocidal Space Pirate
  12. Android 18 + 17: Carjackers, arrest resisters and attempted murderers
  13. Freeza: Genocidal Space Emperor

All of his associates were douchebags in one way or another before he met them and possibly after.

edited 17th Feb '18 8:23:56 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#78978: Feb 17th 2018 at 8:24:27 PM

So, Frieza is more important to Goku then his wife. Good to know.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78979: Feb 17th 2018 at 8:26:22 PM

Chi Chi seems pretty reasonably angry really

I'd say her flaw was forcing Goku to uphold a promise he didn't understand when he made it

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#78980: Feb 17th 2018 at 8:32:24 PM

[up]x4

Well, for your bottom point, he was desperate enough to recruit Frieza of all people...so that far, I guess.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78981: Feb 17th 2018 at 8:34:11 PM

Also its not Goku's fault Zeno is gonna erase the universes.

Goku's idea for a tournament actually gave at least one universe a chance for survival.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#78982: Feb 17th 2018 at 8:34:37 PM

This conversation made me realize I'd totally watch a DB slice-of-life. A large cast of kinda-horrible people who mostly met by being horrible to each other but now really do care deep down going about their lives with occasional supernatural interference. I'd totally be on board with that.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#78983: Feb 17th 2018 at 8:36:45 PM

I mean, that is the Super Filler episodes.

I.E. the best part of the show.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#78984: Feb 17th 2018 at 8:39:03 PM

Episode 128:

  • It would seem that Goku has learned the Hokuto no Shinken: Muso Tensei
  • Jiren all you have to do is grab Vegeta's arm drag him to the edge and literally chuck him like a f'cking stone and he'd be out why do you not do this
  • Longest two minutes ever. Of all time.
  • Hey pssst Goku pssst Goku! Yeah, Vegeta's out but Freeza's still down there somewhere, and literally all you have to do is take few more hits from Jiren until the clock runs out
  • psst Jiren hey Jiren, yeah, just wanted to stop by and let you know that YOU ARE ON THE CLOCK MOTHERF'CKER
  • Why did Freeza show up in Goku's mind instead of Goten or Chi-Chi?
  • Vegeta blew himself up and survived, 17 blew himself up and died, and Vegeta, despite blowing himself up and being pronounced as being out of power, is able to give Goku just enough energy to go Blue, which still does dick against Jiren, and then Goku is able to UL-TRA INSTINCT and even punch Jiren in the colon what are these power levels my god
  • I swear to god everything the audience was saying after Goku transformed was so meta it hurt
  • Goku White confirmed for Dragon Fighter Z and Xenoverse 3

edited 17th Feb '18 8:43:23 PM by Soble

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#78985: Feb 17th 2018 at 8:51:47 PM

[up]blanco is actually confirmed for xenoverse 2 though

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#78986: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:09:09 PM

So are we just calling it Blanco unironically?

Because I'm ok with that.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#78987: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:10:12 PM

What else are we going to call it?

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#78988: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:15:58 PM

Vegeta's elimination was done better than I thought. Though the fact my expectations were so low at the very idea of it probably explains it

Anyone think Goku actually deserves to win?

Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#78989: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:16:37 PM

SSS

Super Saiyen Silver.

It’s not a form of Super Saiyen, but I have to use that alliteration.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78990: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:17:24 PM

[up][up]I don't think that matters, or ever actually did for something like this.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#78991: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:22:58 PM

[up][up][up][up]Evidently he should be called Dark Dragon Ball Full Power Legendary Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Rose 4 Time Breaker Golden Mystic Majin Buugita(Buu+Vegito + Gogeta) Blanco (completado) Kaio-Ken x20 with Namekians absorbed and Hakai energy.

edited 17th Feb '18 9:36:15 PM by Ikedatakeshi

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#78992: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:35:32 PM

Too short. Needs to be longer.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#78993: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:37:46 PM

This episode really overestimated how much I was going to care about watching Vegeta getting beat up. This would have worked a lot better if Vegeta didn't already have like...two other "last stand" moments.

The second half was a lot better, but damn...at this point, I just want it to end.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#78994: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:39:23 PM

[up][up][up]

If Goku were in Kingdom Hearts, throw in a "remixed 2.5 HD remastered 345/7" to that name.

edited 17th Feb '18 9:39:37 PM by hardcorefakes

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#78995: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:39:48 PM

As people have said before I think having the first Goku vs Jiren ep and UI reveal being 20 eps from the final was a mistake. It made all these other encounters with Jiren 100% pointless padding since we know only UI is strong enough to fight him.

[up] featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series?

edited 17th Feb '18 9:40:44 PM by Jedi1113

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#78997: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:47:02 PM

[up][up]"Anything that isn't the final encounter is pointless" is a concept I just cannot get behind.

edited 17th Feb '18 9:47:14 PM by Moth13

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78998: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:48:20 PM

This arc has been a disaster writing wise.

Super's worst flaws are in full effect here & the end-product is something simply inconsistent & just plain incoherent only saved by occasional moments of actually good animation.

They took what should have been an extremely heartwarming & sweet moment in Vegeta's desire to fight for his family & ruined it by making it feel manufactured & repetitive.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#79000: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:51:09 PM

Specific to Jiren, revealing Ultra Instinct as the hard counter before actually using it for anything other than showing off was a mistake. If they had saved it for Kefla, then we could go "Oh, so THAT's how Goku's going to win." As is, any fight with Goku from UI#1 to now is just "Is Goku going to master Ultra Instinct yet?"


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