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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78676: Feb 14th 2018 at 4:48:04 AM

[up] Holy shit balls! surprised

Definitely one of the greatest songs ever to come out of DB & anything in general. [tup] [awesome]

Huh right we are at the end after all.

edited 14th Feb '18 4:48:32 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#78677: Feb 14th 2018 at 6:45:19 AM

Jiren is not the new Broly.

Jiren doesn't have the maximumer appeal. Jiren is just the brick we need to get rid off. I doubt he can be redeemed in these last episodes. Goku defeats him, he probably changes his ways or something, poof, and then is revived with the Super Dragon Balls.

Shit, now I miss Ribrianne. At least she was annoying on purpose.

I don't like Laughingstock Media. His voice is boring, he drags the points for too long, and tells me things I already know.

edited 14th Feb '18 6:54:39 AM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78678: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:04:24 AM

The only reason Jiren will be remembered is becuase he has the luck of being the final boss of Super.

If this wasn't the last arc people wouldn't give a shit.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#78679: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:06:09 AM

He does have one hope for salvation: the dub. They could play around with him enough to make him at least ironically enjoyable.

This song needs more love.
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#78680: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:38:23 AM

Well, they did it before, yeah. But it would take at least two years to hear him.

Let's hope Xenoverse make him sound goofy just like Goku Black and Hit. I'm pissed Hit never said anything about donuts in Fighter Z.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#78681: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:41:39 AM

Can we please keep memes out if localization please

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#78682: Feb 14th 2018 at 8:14:28 AM

Only if we keep the donuts phrase.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#78683: Feb 14th 2018 at 8:15:34 AM

Since Jiren is obviously not that great of an antagonist, I was wondering, are there any enemies from the Tournament of Power that you'd have liked to have gotten way more focus than they did?

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#78684: Feb 14th 2018 at 8:19:09 AM

[up] Personally, I would have liked to see Paparoni established as the main threat of Universe 3 from the very beginning.

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#78685: Feb 14th 2018 at 8:23:07 AM

I would have liked it if there was no clear end boss throughout the tournament.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#78686: Feb 14th 2018 at 8:30:39 AM

Same. Jiren's worst enemy was all of the build-up for him that went nowhere.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78687: Feb 14th 2018 at 8:39:54 AM

The problem is that they want to have Jiren be overwhelming, but they also want U7 to look impressive against him by holding their own, so we get no progress either way, even though by all rights he should be able to end this in an instant.

That Jiren didn't just do that from the very beginning of the tournament was always stupid, but at least then you had the excuse of there being more time and his teammates around to actually do the work. Now there are only three minute left and he's the last one, and he's still not going all out because...reasons.

And none of this is helped by repeated cutting back to the peanut gallery and their meaningless comments and continuing to be surprised by things that shouldn't surprise them at all by this point.

edited 14th Feb '18 8:52:34 AM by LSBK

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78688: Feb 14th 2018 at 8:45:28 AM

What if Jiren had explicitly said something early on like he wouldn't be a party to the death of an entire universe nor would he stand by and let his own be destroyed?

To explain why he's in the tournament but why he doesn't go all out until the end.

Actively fighting would mean going against his heroic morals that he would presumably have in this version but not being in the tournament means surrendering his responsibility to defend his own.

I mean its not much of a personality but 'i'm bummed that now I have to effectively spell the doom of billions' is something.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#78689: Feb 14th 2018 at 9:08:01 AM

Being at war with himself would be nice and get you invested in his character since NO ONE (aside from Gohan) seems to have any issue whatsoever with destroying seven other universes.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78690: Feb 14th 2018 at 9:27:02 AM

I got an idea: Jiren is not portrayed as overwhelming but immensely strong like Goku & despite not wanting to fight he is forced to overcome trials during the tournament just like Goku. Then in their first match he is mystified & horrified at this stranger who posses awe-inspiring power like him but appears only in it for the fight with thoughts like "Son Goku why do you fight, what drives you? No matter what I won't lose if my home is on the line." He is slowly overcome with despair as the tournament goes on & his teammates keep falling while Goku still chill causing him to have a breakdown in their rematch.

Basically a perspective flip and make Jiren an MC of the arc & a better foil to Goku.

edited 14th Feb '18 9:29:49 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78691: Feb 14th 2018 at 9:28:35 AM

Goku would make a good smug anime villain, even given how well-meaning he is much of the time.

He has secret forms he doesn't tell anyone about and everything.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#78692: Feb 14th 2018 at 9:47:37 AM

"I still have two transformations left." - Super Saiyan 3 Goku

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#78693: Feb 14th 2018 at 9:48:40 AM

He also doesn't seem to care about universes getting destroyed as much he should be...

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78694: Feb 14th 2018 at 9:51:55 AM

I think the arena should have been an entire planet, with the time limit for the battle royal obviously extended to account for fighters having to walk on foot instead of flying to their next opponent. That way Jiren would get to look impressive against anyone he fought while the heroes would be safe from his plot-ending strength.

edited 14th Feb '18 10:13:34 AM by VeryMelon

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#78695: Feb 14th 2018 at 10:12:47 AM

Actually, that sounds pretty kick-ass, if difficult for Zeno to view.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78696: Feb 14th 2018 at 10:18:30 AM

He's a God though, not even that the greatest of all the Gods.

Logically even if he is a kid it shouldn't be that hard really.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#78697: Feb 14th 2018 at 10:25:36 AM

[up][up][up] Yeah, that's the best idea.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#78698: Feb 14th 2018 at 10:36:09 AM

[up][up]

You're giving Zeno too much credit. He can't even keep up with FTL speeds, needs a freaking iPad to even see the faster fighters.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78699: Feb 14th 2018 at 10:45:21 AM

He really is a sucky God then.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78700: Feb 14th 2018 at 10:59:45 AM

For Universe 11, I feel like Toppo revealing he was a candidate for God of Destruction and then losing control of himself would've been a more interesting conclusion to all of this, especially if he had gotten more emphasis in the middle of the arc. If anything, the ultimate ideas behind Jiren and Toppo are rather similar, but Toppo's "goes increasingly Knight Templar over the situation until he becomes singularly obsessed with strength" is a lot more interesting than Jiren's "obsessed with strength, period."

Seconding Paparoni, also.

edited 14th Feb '18 10:59:58 AM by KnownUnknown


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