Alright I've been analyzing Jiren which I've been doing a lot cause I can get obsessive & deep in thought which involves me re-watching his backstory.
BTW it not a pleasant experience as I still can't get over how utterly stupid it is for Belmoud to tell the story so I was cringing the entire time.
After watching it I've noticed its never made clear if Jiren ever desired to help people, to prevent the tragedy that occurred to him to never happen to anyone else. I mean people compare him to Batman but at least Bats made it explicitly clear he fights against crime in general to prevent anyone else from suffering tragedy but with Jiren I don't get that. He seems to be a purely revenge-driven asshole...... like fucking Sasuke Uchihaha, great.
Like I cannot imagine Anime-Jiren turning down the tournament at first for moral reasons & not killing villains. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if he was the shoot first, ask questions later kind of guy & immediately signed up on the tournament with no reservations whatsoever that people were gonna die.
edited 13th Feb '18 12:20:32 PM by slimcoder
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Well there was Trunks racing to grab the dragon radar while Goku held off Buu. The scrabble to grab people before Kid Buu blew up Earth. Catching Cell before he ate several cities would have been easier for Piccolo if he could have just blinked over to him.
It's not a huge thing but it comes up every so often
Forever liveblogging the AvengersFunny, I was just about to talk about how I've gotten over Jiren being more morally grey, and how at worst he's kind of a self-centered jerk while at best he's still a superhero who takes pride in fighting for justice. His backstory not focusing on that part doesn't take away from the other times he's mentioned that justice is important to him. He's no worse than Batman usually is.
I also don't get all the complaining that Belmond is an idiot for telling everyone Jiren's backstory. Like, it's no worse than any other time anyone else talks for long periods of time, and this tournament has abused both Freeza Time and Talking Is a Free Action, so what's the problem now? Belmond's explanation, as well as everything else in the episode, took place over a single minute in total. It wasn't stupid on his end because his explanation probably took like 7 seconds of in-universe time, and there's still 3 Freeza Minutes left.
edited 13th Feb '18 2:11:06 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
Even if the backstory seemed half-assed and lazy to me, at least Jiren now has a speck of personality on the anime.
Also LMA Oing at everyone that on other forums and places defended him insulting Toppo. I knew that there was something off about how the fanbase is developing and I realized these days that Jiren (and half the fanbase TBH) think that Might makes Right.
I just find this video, "Is Jiren's Backstory is Even GOOD?" by Laughingstock Media & I found it an interesting piece.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKXuu-ZFx4
My favorite part is the comparison made to Younger Toguro from Yu Yu Hakusho & how Jiren basically feels like a watered-down knock-off version of Toguro in every single regard.
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Character? Jiren is a non-character. I didn't even insult anybody that liked him, I just found funny how the attitude developed by the fanbase these days is just centered around how strong a character is, reflecting Jiren "views" in the anime. Gohan is hated because he is seen as weak, Toppo is seen as wrong because he didn't ring out anyone (fuck him for not having protagonist powers!!)
edited 13th Feb '18 2:03:40 PM by Edgar81539
At least Broly has the berserker trait going for him.
Jiren has nothing, nothing. Him being a juggernaut, done by Frieza, done by Cell, done by Buu. Him being stoic, already done by Hit. Blathering about justice, ignoring Black & Zamasu Toppo is better at it then he is. Him being an arrogant asshole, lets start with Yamcha & roll from there.
The only Jiren has is that he's a good guy thought that's an informed trait at this point cause he's barely a hero.
edited 13th Feb '18 2:27:41 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Hardly. Broly at least was cool and had a legendary ba dum tss super saiyan form to go along with it. he also had a personality that was clear cut- merciless, cruel, and bitter.
Jiren doesn't even have the merciless part.
edited 13th Feb '18 2:27:19 PM by EpicBleye
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-MaeBroly is a cornerstone of the franchise, for better or worse. I don't see Jiren being anything more than a footnote in a decade.
edited 13th Feb '18 2:28:01 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.Okay, I know this is extremely subjective, but I never understood why people think Broly is cool. He has a unique Super Saiyan form - yeah, because that's something fresh and original, another Super Saiyan form.
Okay, I will grant you some of his moves are nice, like the lariat/clothesline he breaks out once in a while. But he's just so grating with his constant roars. I just don't get it, really. His first movie (I'm not going to do him a disservice by mentioning the others) involve him running around beating people up until Goku gets powerful and somehow one-shots him.
Really feels like a bad case of Only the Author Can Save Them Now.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Yeah, I really wish that they establish Jiren as a character but even then, it still wouldn't amount to much. If they fleshed the world and the characters more, I would really get more invested in the fate of their world more but the fighters are just fodder for Universe 7 and Jiren just another Toei strong guy for Goku to defeat.
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Goku one-shotting him was because Goku super punched the one spot Broly was weak- where he was stabbed as a child. You can even see the scar light up with Goku's energy iirc.
Broly was cool because he was a berserker and had overflowing power. Everyone was terrified of him and the movie reinforced that because he would hunt people down to break them even more.
Vegeta's hopelessness really sells it too.
I don't think the movies are boring at all- they do a lot of setting up but it's well worth it in the end. And it isn't like they're that long.
edited 13th Feb '18 2:43:55 PM by EpicBleye
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-MaeThe Super Saiyan transformations only started getting flubbed by the Buu Saga & Broly came around during the Cell Saga.
Also the fight had good choreography, it was awesome seeing him beat the shit outta people & Vic Mignogna has nice voice so even his screams are great.
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Hey DB movies, what can ya do (shrugs).
All were her for is the fights anyway.
edited 13th Feb '18 2:44:33 PM by slimcoder
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Two problems with that. The first is that it's pure luck, because Goku doesn't know Broly's backstory or that he got stabbed. The second is that it seems really, really inconsistent with how ki works, or hell, you're telling me that Broly hasn't healed from that knife wound properly in all those years?
This is just Broly's first movie, by the way. The other two are complete garbage.
edited 13th Feb '18 2:49:44 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

Well, really just Goku, and that goes away once he learns IT.
One Strip! One Strip!