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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#78576: Feb 13th 2018 at 11:41:10 AM

Well, really just Goku, and that goes away once he learns IT.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78577: Feb 13th 2018 at 12:17:37 PM

Alright I've been analyzing Jiren which I've been doing a lot cause I can get obsessive & deep in thought which involves me re-watching his backstory.

BTW it not a pleasant experience as I still can't get over how utterly stupid it is for Belmoud to tell the story so I was cringing the entire time.

After watching it I've noticed its never made clear if Jiren ever desired to help people, to prevent the tragedy that occurred to him to never happen to anyone else. I mean people compare him to Batman but at least Bats made it explicitly clear he fights against crime in general to prevent anyone else from suffering tragedy but with Jiren I don't get that. He seems to be a purely revenge-driven asshole...... like fucking Sasuke Uchihaha, great.

Like I cannot imagine Anime-Jiren turning down the tournament at first for moral reasons & not killing villains. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if he was the shoot first, ask questions later kind of guy & immediately signed up on the tournament with no reservations whatsoever that people were gonna die.

edited 13th Feb '18 12:20:32 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#78578: Feb 13th 2018 at 12:48:39 PM

I'm not even going to defend anime Jiren at this point.

I'm sure the Xenoverse writers will be just as confused as us are about him.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#78579: Feb 13th 2018 at 12:51:14 PM

A video in which I wholeheartedly agree with Masako

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78580: Feb 13th 2018 at 1:17:45 PM

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Well there was Trunks racing to grab the dragon radar while Goku held off Buu. The scrabble to grab people before Kid Buu blew up Earth. Catching Cell before he ate several cities would have been easier for Piccolo if he could have just blinked over to him.

It's not a huge thing but it comes up every so often

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#78581: Feb 13th 2018 at 1:22:19 PM

Funny, I was just about to talk about how I've gotten over Jiren being more morally grey, and how at worst he's kind of a self-centered jerk while at best he's still a superhero who takes pride in fighting for justice. His backstory not focusing on that part doesn't take away from the other times he's mentioned that justice is important to him. He's no worse than Batman usually is.

I also don't get all the complaining that Belmond is an idiot for telling everyone Jiren's backstory. Like, it's no worse than any other time anyone else talks for long periods of time, and this tournament has abused both Freeza Time and Talking Is a Free Action, so what's the problem now? Belmond's explanation, as well as everything else in the episode, took place over a single minute in total. It wasn't stupid on his end because his explanation probably took like 7 seconds of in-universe time, and there's still 3 Freeza Minutes left.

edited 13th Feb '18 2:11:06 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Edgar81539 Since: Mar, 2014
#78582: Feb 13th 2018 at 1:53:11 PM

Even if the backstory seemed half-assed and lazy to me, at least Jiren now has a speck of personality on the anime.

Also LMA Oing at everyone that on other forums and places defended him insulting Toppo. I knew that there was something off about how the fanbase is developing and I realized these days that Jiren (and half the fanbase TBH) think that Might makes Right.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#78583: Feb 13th 2018 at 1:53:23 PM

[up][up]No, but the execution left a lot to desire

[up] Sure, insult a group of people who just want to defend a character they like.

Kettle calling pot black on my part, but why not?

edited 13th Feb '18 1:56:19 PM by agent-trunks

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78584: Feb 13th 2018 at 1:58:08 PM

I just find this video, "Is Jiren's Backstory is Even GOOD?" by Laughingstock Media & I found it an interesting piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKXuu-ZFx4

My favorite part is the comparison made to Younger Toguro from Yu Yu Hakusho & how Jiren basically feels like a watered-down knock-off version of Toguro in every single regard.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#78585: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:01:50 PM

Jiren never had a romantic history with Master Roshi. :hmm

Edgar81539 Since: Mar, 2014
#78586: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:02:57 PM

[up][up][up]Character? Jiren is a non-character. I didn't even insult anybody that liked him, I just found funny how the attitude developed by the fanbase these days is just centered around how strong a character is, reflecting Jiren "views" in the anime. Gohan is hated because he is seen as weak, Toppo is seen as wrong because he didn't ring out anyone (fuck him for not having protagonist powers!!)

edited 13th Feb '18 2:03:40 PM by Edgar81539

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#78587: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:17:18 PM

[up] Ah, I misunderstood that.

What you're describing is the shallow & toxic part of the fanbase.

There's far more outcry for Gohan being under use than people hating him.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78588: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:21:32 PM

Just wait till the next guy shows up & is even stronger than Jiren.

Liking a character solely because their "strong" is a nonsensical reason in a series all about power escalation.

So really there's nothing to like about Jiren period.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#78589: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:22:50 PM

Yeah, Jiren is basically the new Broly.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78591: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:26:51 PM

At least Broly has the berserker trait going for him.

Jiren has nothing, nothing. Him being a juggernaut, done by Frieza, done by Cell, done by Buu. Him being stoic, already done by Hit. Blathering about justice, ignoring Black & Zamasu Toppo is better at it then he is. Him being an arrogant asshole, lets start with Yamcha & roll from there.

The only Jiren has is that he's a good guy thought that's an informed trait at this point cause he's barely a hero.

edited 13th Feb '18 2:27:41 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#78592: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:27:09 PM

Hardly. Broly at least was cool and had a legendary ba dum tss super saiyan form to go along with it. he also had a personality that was clear cut- merciless, cruel, and bitter.

Jiren doesn't even have the merciless part. [nja]

edited 13th Feb '18 2:27:19 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#78593: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:27:41 PM

Broly is a cornerstone of the franchise, for better or worse. I don't see Jiren being anything more than a footnote in a decade.

edited 13th Feb '18 2:28:01 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#78594: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:35:52 PM

Okay, I know this is extremely subjective, but I never understood why people think Broly is cool. He has a unique Super Saiyan form - yeah, because that's something fresh and original, another Super Saiyan form.

Okay, I will grant you some of his moves are nice, like the lariat/clothesline he breaks out once in a while. But he's just so grating with his constant roars. I just don't get it, really. His first movie (I'm not going to do him a disservice by mentioning the others) involve him running around beating people up until Goku gets powerful and somehow one-shots him.

Really feels like a bad case of Only the Author Can Save Them Now.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#78595: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:39:39 PM

What's not to like about him? His power is maximum. tongue

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#78596: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:41:12 PM

Yeah, I really wish that they establish Jiren as a character but even then, it still wouldn't amount to much. If they fleshed the world and the characters more, I would really get more invested in the fate of their world more but the fighters are just fodder for Universe 7 and Jiren just another Toei strong guy for Goku to defeat.

"Mai waifu."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78597: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:41:29 PM

Broly seems mostly extreme love, or extreme hate without much in between. But rather anything about his personality or backstory, I just can't get over how boring his movies are.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#78598: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:43:01 PM

[up][up][up][up]Goku one-shotting him was because Goku super punched the one spot Broly was weak- where he was stabbed as a child. You can even see the scar light up with Goku's energy iirc.

Broly was cool because he was a berserker and had overflowing power. Everyone was terrified of him and the movie reinforced that because he would hunt people down to break them even more.

Vegeta's hopelessness really sells it too.

[up]I don't think the movies are boring at all- they do a lot of setting up but it's well worth it in the end. And it isn't like they're that long.

edited 13th Feb '18 2:43:55 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78599: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:44:06 PM

The Super Saiyan transformations only started getting flubbed by the Buu Saga & Broly came around during the Cell Saga.

Also the fight had good choreography, it was awesome seeing him beat the shit outta people & Vic Mignogna has nice voice so even his screams are great.

[up] Nice points. [tup]

[up][up] Hey DB movies, what can ya do (shrugs).

All were her for is the fights anyway.

edited 13th Feb '18 2:44:33 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#78600: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:48:58 PM

[up][up] Two problems with that. The first is that it's pure luck, because Goku doesn't know Broly's backstory or that he got stabbed. The second is that it seems really, really inconsistent with how ki works, or hell, you're telling me that Broly hasn't healed from that knife wound properly in all those years?

This is just Broly's first movie, by the way. The other two are complete garbage.

edited 13th Feb '18 2:49:44 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

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