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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#78476: Feb 12th 2018 at 8:18:41 AM

[up]Funny, I was just about to comment that s-cells are as if Toriyama saw A Phantom Menace and thought that the idea of midichlorians was something that wasn't completely terrible.

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#78477: Feb 12th 2018 at 8:37:24 AM

There is a difference: The Force is a mystical thing, so adding some scientific explanation is not needed. Super Saiyans, however, are a biological thing, so S-cells aren't terrible as a concept, but people will still be angry by something that stopped being special since the Cell saga.

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Btw, Jiren believes "Strenght is absolute". Only a Sith deals in those, I bet he hates sand too.

edited 12th Feb '18 8:40:59 AM by Tomodachi

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#78478: Feb 12th 2018 at 8:49:21 AM

[up]Well, I was personally complaining about the way S-cells don't make any sort of biological sense, nor answer any of the questions they were supposed to answer. That's a better reason, right?

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#78479: Feb 12th 2018 at 8:50:38 AM

I was never bothered by S-cells considering its something that it explains how Goten and present Trunks managed to learn SS at such young age (And even then i remember people theorizing about this before).

The only thing that bothers me about this is that Pan and Bulla didn't show the ability to transform yet but maybe they retcon that.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78480: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:15:05 AM

The difference with S-cells was that Super Saiyan was something that had already gotten ruined before they existed.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#78481: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:15:46 AM

Midichlorians aren't terrible. They don't create the Force, they simply explain why some people can channel it more than others.

Sorry, pet peeve.

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#78482: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:19:27 AM

Jiren's backstory

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78483: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:22:03 AM

How much time is left, like two minutes?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#78484: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:22:28 AM

Actually 3.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78485: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:23:35 AM

3 minutes in dragonball time though.

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#78486: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:25:32 AM

Belmoud ruined Dragon Ball time for me.

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#78487: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:31:14 AM

But the Great Priest was responsible for Namek Time again.

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#78488: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:32:28 AM

S-Cells were something the fanbase had long speculated to exist, you probably know it as the "Super Saiyan inheritance" theory. All Toriyama did was confirm an already popular fan theory. Actually, he did more than that, since he explained more stuff about it which is Fridge Brilliance, like that living in a gentle and non-stressful environment stimulates S-Cell growth. That explains why so many Saiyans living on Planet Vegeta never went Super Saiyan, as well as why Vegeta could after spending a few years on Earth, as well as why the U6 Saiyans seem to have an easier time accessing the forms.

Something occurred to me last night: the Pilaf Gang are a major part of every non-tournament arc of Dragon Ball, as well as every non-tournament arc of Super. What if they were also major parts of the Z arcs? What would be their roles in influencing the Saiyans, Namek, the Androids, Cell, and Buu? For added fun, let's assume that they still wish themselves to be babies in the three-year timeskip while everyone else is training for the Androids.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78489: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:35:15 AM

To be honest, the whole "gentle and non-stressful environment" stimulating S-Cell growth goes against virtually everything else we know about Saiyan biology. Their strength is because they're Heavy Worlders. Their Zenkai boosts are activated by severe injury. They are actively compelled to seek out fights.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78490: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:37:27 AM

I mean, that just explains why basically no other Saiyans were able to figure it out then. Contradictions like that are not non-existent in nature.

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#78491: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:38:37 AM

[up][up]Well, yeah, that's why it's brilliant. That's why Saiyans couldn't tap into their full power: because their lives were unhealthy. Goku pretty much explained the same concept in the Cell Saga: "You can go back in there, but after a while, the returns you get are negligible and you're just torturing yourself" that's why he decided to rest and only do light training with Gohan for ten days outside the Chamber.

edited 12th Feb '18 9:39:09 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78492: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:40:46 AM

Yeah, Toriyama was basically saying that Saiyans who chilled out had an easier time getting Super Saiyan.

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#78493: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:41:17 AM

I honestly actually really really like that.

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#78494: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:43:43 AM

The healthy enviorment is just a vegestables joke, people.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#78495: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:45:11 AM

It is how your supposed to exercise.

You need rest & reprieve between each intense work out to gain the full effects.

Something old "Saiyan Elite" Vegeta never seemed to learn.

edited 12th Feb '18 9:45:30 AM by slimcoder

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#78496: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:46:41 AM

In fairness, if you were a personal trainer would you tell him what he should do?

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#78497: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:47:36 AM

Whis does and he seems pretty okay

sure he's stronger than god of destroying things but that's besides the point

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78498: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:47:56 AM

I would tell his wife.

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#78499: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:48:29 AM

Now that's lateral thinking

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78500: Feb 12th 2018 at 9:50:16 AM

Hey he's prolly not gonna lesson to a word I say so why not tell the person he actually listens too?

Relatively.

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