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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78201: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:13:29 PM

No one really worfed to Todoroki, though. Well, except Sero, I guess, and even then I don't think that counts.

Also, Todoroki didn't say "you're the other strongest in the class", he "said, All Might is keeping his eye on you for a reason I don't understand or care about, so I'm going to beat you."

Also, yes a fight was set up, and it happened so I'm not really sure what's the issue there.

edited 10th Feb '18 9:15:04 PM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78202: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:14:11 PM

I don't care if you dislike Todoroki, but there's no need to mischaracterize him as the antagonist just to prop your argument. The Sports Festival no No Antagonist.

edited 10th Feb '18 9:14:40 PM by VeryMelon

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#78203: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:14:35 PM

Sero was never considered a major opposition, just an unlucky guy.

Also isn't most of Yu-Gi-Oh a tournament arc or multiple tournament arcs?

edited 10th Feb '18 9:15:10 PM by slimcoder

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78204: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:14:50 PM

I'm not saying he's evil at all, but he is the opposing force to Deku in that tournament. Him and Deku's fight is the one that gets the most hype, he calls out Deku prior to any of the events, he reveals his backstory prior to the third bracket going into action, etc.

It's like, Master Roshi isn't evil either but he's also the opposing force in the 21st. His battle is the one that's getting built towards.

edited 10th Feb '18 9:17:11 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78205: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:16:01 PM

The Original Yugioh manga was half Monster of the Week fest, with the second half having 2 major tournament arcs.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78206: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:16:15 PM

[up][up]Beating Todoroki was never Deku's primary focus. But this isn't the MHA thread, so we should probably table this discussion here.

[down]Not really. Endeavor doesn't actively do anything.

edited 10th Feb '18 9:16:58 PM by LSBK

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#78207: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:16:27 PM

[up]x4 Endeavor's kinda the antagonist.

edited 10th Feb '18 9:16:45 PM by HamburgerTime

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78208: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:17:58 PM

That fact that you have to say "kinda" actually says he isn't.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
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#78209: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:18:03 PM

Yup not seeing the problem with this episode either

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78210: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:23:18 PM

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003) had a fun tournament arc & Teen Titans did one for an episode.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78211: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:23:31 PM

As far as Dragon Ball tournaments go, well like the rest of Dragon Ball they're good for laying the foundations that future Shonen can follow up and tweak as needed.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#78212: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:28:39 PM

OG Dragon Ball probably has the least sloppy, genuine tournament arcs of any series I've read. I'm not saying they're great, but all the other examples I think of I can't really call 'the best' because of the glaring flaws they have or not really being genuine tournaments.

Well, Dragonball has the honour of being one of the few series where the Tournament was just a tournament...up until the 23rd, but that's still two out of how many in the series. The 25th halfway counts since it was also just a tournament once the plot continued on with out it.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#78213: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:33:07 PM

I liked all three Budokai tournaments from Dragon Ball. I think they had the perfect level of escalation going from Roshi to Tenshinhan to Piccolo as the "Final Bosses."

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78214: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:33:42 PM

Yeah, they're also nice and short and sweet.

Though I consider the 22nd as the one that made the best use of the resources it had.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78215: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:35:32 PM

This tournament on the other hand has become a gigantic waste.

At best its adequate/mediocre but that's it.

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#78216: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:37:23 PM

It ain't no Japanese Citizen Kane but I am entertained, so it does its job.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#78217: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:38:19 PM

The 23rd Budokai is easily my favorite for me, the matches felt like they had more point to them than in the other tournaments. A natural result of having built up a larger cast by that point, but the 21st Budokai also did decently for having the extra characters be (mostly) interesting. The 22nd Budokai is the worst for me for having no room for meaningful extras and largely being kind of boring.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78218: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:41:58 PM

I mean, the 22nd has some weak links in the shape of Panputto and to a lesser extent, Wolfman (though he is quite funny) but the rest of the fights are really good uses of the characters. Yamcha gets to look badass, Krillin gets a (quite funny) victory and also gets to put Goku through his paces, Master Roshi gets to retire in style, and Tien is a really good central pillar for the story.

I also like how flight serves as a strategic element in the Krillin/Chaotzu and Tien/Goku fights, I thought it made those really interesting mechanically.

edited 10th Feb '18 9:42:50 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#78219: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:43:34 PM

...lol nobody mentioned the Chunin Exams from Naruto. I just remembered myself actually.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78220: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:43:59 PM

[up] I did, second post previous page. I think it's pretty decent, though not my favourite.

edited 10th Feb '18 9:44:26 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#78221: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:45:22 PM

Really got to disagree with Yamcha and Kuririn looking good. The reveal that Goku and Ten were holding back just makes those two look bad, and Yamcha is just worfing as per usual even though he wasn't strong enough to make the worf effective.

But man, Goku's fight with Kuririn just makes Kuririn look so terrible. He has a terrible performance, the only time he briefly looks good is when Goku fakes still having his tail weakness. And then it's revealed Goku wasn't taken him seriously at all.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78222: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:46:34 PM

Goku isn't holding back so much as not going for killing power. There's no reason to expect anyone else is going for killing strength either until he fights Tien, who is very desperate by that point. It is a tournament, after all.

Yamcha looks better in his fight with Tien than in any other tournament fight since it's the only one where his fight is serious in the slightest.

edited 10th Feb '18 9:48:07 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#78223: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:47:52 PM

Nnnnnnnno he very explicitly IS holding back. He explains such in his fight with Ten, and we see once he stops holding back that that means his overall abilities were being held back.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78224: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:48:46 PM

Yes, and he describes it as using his tournament power as opposed to battle power, I.E. he's not trying to kill his opponent.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#78225: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:49:58 PM

That's not what that means. He never references killing power at all, just that he holds back to make the matches more interesting.


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