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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#77626: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:20:56 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Then why did you feel the need to come in this thread and say that? You could have literally said anything else on subject or just not post period.

Instead, you chose to poke fun at it and essentially accused anybody who critiques things here as being "negative"

That probably wasn't your intention, but you should understand how a comment like that sounds and how it can be interpreted.

In any case, the meta commentary on member attitudes will get us nowhere so I shall drop this.

edited 6th Feb '18 2:22:21 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
GOI god of insanity from everywhere/nowhere Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
god of insanity
#77627: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:24:14 PM

So,what that tells us is the more a Go D is on task and destroying the right stuff and spotting that stuff the better for their universe hell that does sound like designated bad guy even if it means good things for the universe as a whole

edited 6th Feb '18 2:24:31 PM by GOI

The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success. Insanity runs in my family. It practically gallops.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#77628: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:34:31 PM

It's not, so the episode portraying that as a bad thing, especially when the survival on the universe is on the line is ridiculous.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#77629: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:46:35 PM

I'll reserve judgement on it until we see how Toriyama and Toyotaro do it.

If they do the same thing, blame everyone. If not, just blame Toei.

So says Rob.

One Strip! One Strip!
GOI god of insanity from everywhere/nowhere Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
god of insanity
#77630: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:49:14 PM

Really a person who does exactly what vegata did in the buu saga is in the right and even tells vegata to do that again that careing about others makes you weak, you have to get rid of such things

Also yes it's a bad thing it is someone who's job is literally commit mass genocide multiple times in basic description that's a horrible job, as in the job of a Go D is basically what frieza and his army did without the selling of planets and maybe a slower rate of doing it.(though I could be miss understand your point on what is bad)

edited 6th Feb '18 2:49:46 PM by GOI

The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success. Insanity runs in my family. It practically gallops.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77631: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:51:37 PM

To be fair, it's not like Toppo has to be the one to replace Belmond as far as we know. And it's entirely reasonable to understand why someone (or most people) just wouldn't cut out for the position. Still, if the show has made it clear that it is a necessary position, and Toppo is doing it ultimately to save the universe, portraying him and the position as wrong for that is...jarring, to say the least, whatever parallels they may be trying for with Vegeta.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#77632: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:53:14 PM

There is no parallel between what Toppo and Majin Vegeta are doing, because Toppo is doing this all to save his universe while MV was just going back to his usual pissing contest with Goku.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77633: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:54:35 PM

I feel that way as well, but that just means they did a shit job of making it work, not that it isn't supposed to be there.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#77634: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:56:26 PM

It's simply another problem caused by "universes are at stake". If it was just a tournament and Toppo was going GOD out of pride or arrogance then you'd have your parallel, but it's not. There's just too much at stake here.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#77635: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:57:06 PM

Can you show how it is "fun" to say people who are complaining is "salty"?
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J-O-K-E. You shouldn't take an anime discussion board too seriously.

Then why did you feel the need to come in this thread and say that? You could have literally said anything else on subject or just not post period. Instead, you chose to poke fun at it and essentially accused anybody who critiques things here as being "negative" That probably wasn't your intention, but you should understand how a comment like that sounds and how it can be interpreted. In any case, the meta commentary on member attitudes will get us nowhere so I shall dd
.

Because I can comment and I have the free will to do so? Because it's not against the rules? And because if people weren't;t defensive as you claim, they would have ignored it?

You're making a big deal out of nothing.

edited 6th Feb '18 3:02:30 PM by GarnetRebeller96

GOI god of insanity from everywhere/nowhere Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
god of insanity
#77636: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:03:44 PM

The reason may be different but the result is the exact same to quote (well paraphrase) both Toppo and Majin Vegata go careing about others makes you weak throw that away. Sure the basic ideal of why is jarring but you know what they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions (though this only can apply to Toppo) though I do agree it was presented poorly.

The Go D position may Be be reguried but the actual job is evil itself since you being a mass killer is normally considered a evil thing to do, though. Though I think it is less he became a god that we are supposed to,take issue with and him basically going all of my friends and allies are worthless as are their goals /motivation

Also weren't Go D not supposed to take part in the tornament in the frist place so hell he might of dammed his universe anyway(unlikely because Zeno,seems cool with anything that is cool)

Also yeah the contrast with how everyone else is acting kind and makes Toppo seem desperate instead of properly worried also you have to remember usually sticking to your ideals no mater what is seen as the ideal of a hero like batman not going against his rule of no killing someone himself unlike Toppo who just goes fuck it my whole life up to this point was a waste of time.

edited 6th Feb '18 3:08:21 PM by GOI

The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success. Insanity runs in my family. It practically gallops.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#77637: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:11:03 PM

If not, just blame Toei.

Oh come now. We do that all the time. We can't blame everything on Toei.

ಠ_ಠ

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#77638: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:11:49 PM

[up][up][up] Its not really about taking an anime board too seriously, it's just being aware of how your words might sound to another person. Ya know, social awareness and whatnot :V

[up][up] It still kind of falls apart because you're only looking at the two moments beyond a superficial "they both sacrificed something for power" stance. If you only look at it that way, sure. But the parallel falls apart if you explore it deeper and that's why so many people have a problem with it.

We're supposed to be against Toppo for wanting to save his universe? How in what way is that a bad thing? It makes him Unintentionally Sympathetic because his stated reasons that are being portrayed as bad aren't. Designated Villain basically. Vegeta wanted more power just so he could one-up Goku, which is a much more selfish goal.

edited 6th Feb '18 3:15:29 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77639: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:14:07 PM

[up][up] So what you're saying is that we should go into long and detailed discussion on the philosophical ramifications of blame and responsibility.

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#77640: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:15:12 PM

But the word "salty" is very often used for memes and jokes.

So....

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#77641: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:18:19 PM

[up]x3 In addition, while he might have needed to change his state of mind to achieve GOD status, it's not Powered by a Forsaken Child or anything. Majin Vegeta was not only a deal with the devil he also decided of his own accord to just wipe out the tournament audience on a whim.

Oh, and we might be able to throw "defies Babidi's control" as another thing Vegeta just gets to do in spite of what the rules of the setting say.

edited 6th Feb '18 3:21:52 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#77642: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:21:38 PM

Oh come now. We do that all the time. We can't blame everything on Toei.

Well, I rag on Toriyama far more than I do Toei myself. They have had their screw ups, both in Super, and in the series as a whole.

Now, I do think that if things were more planned out on both sides, maybe there wouldn't be so many screw ups.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#77643: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:24:06 PM

I think the difference between Toei and Toyataro is that the latter comes at it from a fan's perspective and Toei come at it from a producer's perspective.

This has advantages and disadvantages for both approaches.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
GOI god of insanity from everywhere/nowhere Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
god of insanity
#77644: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:47:18 PM

The thing is there is nothing wrong with trying to save your universe except he fails to move that forward at all in fact by all right he should of been removed from the fight for destroying frezia since apparently hakai is just a normal energy attack now that you can just overwhelm.

It not a they sacrificed something for power it is a they scarficeed the exact same thing like Toppo straight of says that vegata fighting for someone else is holding him back so from that we should take that Toppo is no longer fighting for anyone other than himself or do you think Toppo is lying now.

Also considering quite a few people are fine with their universe being destroyed like universe 2 is one we are supposed to have some level of respect for because they stuck to,their guns. Unlike Toppo who at the frist real hardship we have seen him face at all he just goes justice is worthless aka the people I have been fighting beside are worthless.

Of course the problem comes when it is implied he is also doing for his universe which makes him about a 4 on the violin scale which kind f causes issues like super seems to state that both he is only fighting for himself because that is what makes you strong and he is doing it for his universe which is impossible, so how close he is to majin vegata depends of which one of his statements you hold more faith in.

Though honestly we need to see the manga since it hopefully won't try the same let's give this character two,completely statements and hope the fans make sense of it

The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success. Insanity runs in my family. It practically gallops.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#77645: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:51:29 PM

Realistically there's nothing wrong with Toppo sacrificing justice for power. Given the stakes of the tournament of power its the most believable action anyone there's taken, short of Universe 4's plan of hiding and eliminating with stealth attacks.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77646: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:53:38 PM

[up][up]Universe 2 was "fine" with their Universe being erased after it was a done deal, they were fighting tooth and nail to prevent it from actually coming to that. We were supposed to respect that they went out with dignity (although, given the situation it would be perfectly understandable and realistic if they didn't) not that they just didn't care.

The situations aren't comparable because as far as we know, no one else in the tournament was in a similar situation to Toppo or faced the same kind of choice he did.

edited 6th Feb '18 3:54:39 PM by LSBK

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77647: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:55:55 PM

'Salty' is generally used in memes intended to disparage and insult... you really can't call other people hostile if you're going to throw that around

GOI god of insanity from everywhere/nowhere Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
god of insanity
#77648: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:57:53 PM

If it was just justice then I would say it was fine disqualifications him from being a hero but fine but he states to vegata that the fact he is fighting from others than himself is what makes him weak, so compassion, love, justice, pride and the choice most likely that mass genocide sounds like a wonderful job let me sign just gain that while not careing about other.

I would say he al so loses points because this was meant to be a fight between the mortals of the universe with their Go D watching but no Toppo wants to do,both but hey at least he should know that Zeno won't wreak him for it because wow it is so cool

why he need to I have no ideal but maybe it has do.with the symbol appearing on his chest .

Yes quite a few people have had the choice of abandoning their morals for an easier win like disco and he didn't take it so what does that say that dyspo is now worse,or better than Toppo also vegata decides to not try and throw away for more power like Toppo does

edited 6th Feb '18 4:00:40 PM by GOI

The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success. Insanity runs in my family. It practically gallops.
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#77649: Feb 6th 2018 at 4:00:15 PM

"Why make Toppo, a guy who upholds noble ideals, a God of Destruction anyway, and why are his powers tied to ruthlessness rather than rage? What was Belmod thinking?"

he's a clown. clowns do whatever the fuck they want for whatever reason. the only explanation is lol clowns sure are weird right

edited 6th Feb '18 4:00:29 PM by Deadpoolrocks

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77650: Feb 6th 2018 at 4:03:19 PM

[up][up]He was saying that to Vegeta because it targets Vegeta specifically. It's not like he would say that to Freiza. If he's as selfish as you say he is, he would go for it immediately.


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