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GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#77576: Feb 6th 2018 at 10:11:14 AM

You outright said the other got it because they train for it, now you're saying training doesn't, matter?

You're confusing me.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#77577: Feb 6th 2018 at 10:21:08 AM

I'm saying that Vegeta ignores how this sort of stuff is actually done when it suits him, and holding up "but he trains so hard" isn't an excuse, because if that's how Dragonball's power system actually worked Piccolo and Tien would both be in the top 4 members of the cast.

You can't just train for Super Saiyan Blue. You need the ritual to become Super Saiyan God first. Otherwise Vegeta should have as much chance of getting it by training as fucking Krillin. But he gets it, because otherwise Vegeta would throw all his toys out of the pram.

edited 6th Feb '18 10:22:19 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#77578: Feb 6th 2018 at 10:47:58 AM

Hey guys? I enjoy watching Dragonball Super.

Do you know what people want the most? Something somebody else has.
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#77579: Feb 6th 2018 at 11:06:58 AM

And? People are allowed to criticize it.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#77580: Feb 6th 2018 at 11:10:35 AM

someone said it earlier in the thread but I agree that we aren't necessarily supposed to agree with Jiren because right after he said it dyspo looked upset at the insult and goku asks him why he said that right before he kicks goku in the face. it really doesnt't seem like its something that is 100% in the right

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#77581: Feb 6th 2018 at 11:11:02 AM

@Larfleeze Lol careful, some folks in this thread might come after you for saying that.

Edit: And right after I just said that Epic Bleye just came after you. Even though all you said is that you like Dragon Ball Super. It seems saying anything good about Super is enough for someone to get triggered.

@ Sigilbreaker266th But you were the one to mention people training to reach certain condition. I only use "because he train hard" because you brought it up. Again, you're confusing me.

edited 6th Feb '18 11:18:24 AM by GarnetRebeller96

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77582: Feb 6th 2018 at 11:16:47 AM

[up]So is that the only thing you're going to do in the thread, complain about people complaining about things?

Seriously, no one is "triggered" (ugh, I hate that). If you can't take people not liking all the things you like, the issue is with you.

edited 6th Feb '18 11:17:38 AM by LSBK

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#77583: Feb 6th 2018 at 11:22:19 AM

Really now? Me pointing out the behavior pattern on how this thread work as well as warning someone is complaining?

I think you might be getting a bit defensive their buddy. That isn't complaining at all.

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#77584: Feb 6th 2018 at 11:23:40 AM

It's like if you needed a rat tail to class change but Vegeta is like whatever I'm a Black Wizard now

Or evolving into a raichu without a thunder stone

Or something?

edited 6th Feb '18 11:25:01 AM by Bocaj

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77585: Feb 6th 2018 at 11:28:57 AM

@Sigil, on your point about hard work not mattering in the series, it does, it just isn't the end all be all. I don't see what's supposed to be wrong with that.

Goku and Vegeta also work super hard and they're also much more talented than Tien and Piccolo. And even Piccolo gets it better than most other people, also largely due to his innate talent and racial abilities so I don't see him as an example of someone treated unfairly.

edited 6th Feb '18 11:30:10 AM by LSBK

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#77586: Feb 6th 2018 at 11:40:22 AM

Whoopsie, I was getting LSBK confuse with Sigilbreaker on the previous page there.

My bad.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#77587: Feb 6th 2018 at 11:41:03 AM

Yeah. Hard work alone won't help. Unless you have a bit of talent or some game breaker genetics, it will only take you so far.

That being said, Gohan, Goten and Trunks show that even if you have the last two, if you don't work to refine your skill, it will atrophy and all that natural talent will mean nothing.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#77588: Feb 6th 2018 at 11:54:37 AM

Gohan, Goten, and Trunks aren't interested in being fighters like their fathers tho.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77589: Feb 6th 2018 at 11:57:52 AM

It's not really clear what, if anything, Goten and Trunks are interested in. They're just kind of around, not doing anything.

edited 6th Feb '18 11:58:17 AM by KnownUnknown

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#77590: Feb 6th 2018 at 11:58:41 AM

sounds like what normal kids do to me

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#77591: Feb 6th 2018 at 12:01:39 PM

Doesn't exactly make for anything interesting in a fighting series though.

Also, since we're talking about Vegeta vs. Toppo, I want to point to this excerpt from ANN's review of the latest episode, because it illustrates mine and a few other people's thoughts perfectly in case people think "we're just bitching".

Toppo's relationship with justice gets called into question this week, and since he's the character who cares the most about morality and righteousness, it's definitely interesting to see the show try and go somewhere with that. Via this fight, the argument gets made that Vegeta's actually the one with the stronger moral fiber, since he never gave up or "cast aside" anything that he was fighting for, but I don't think the show makes a firm case for this. My misgivings about last week's episode aside, it seemed crystal clear that Toppo adopting God of Destruction powers was a sacrifice that he was making to protect his universe, which is something to admire the guy for. He says things like "If justice can't protect our universe, then it's worthless!" and it's framed as a mistake in judgment on his part, but he's sacrificing justice for justice at the end of the day, and that makes him cool in my book. Vegeta's motivation, on the other hand, is an attempt to show how much he's grown and how he fights for others like his family and the Universe 6 Saiyans, but the show only gives lip-service to these things when it wants to sweeten the pot and make a certain moment work. Not that I need to see everybody's personal motivations when the universe is at risk, but if you're going to go there, go all the way.

Full review here.

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#77592: Feb 6th 2018 at 12:03:34 PM

Sorry for responding late, but I didn't say that: I enjoy the series despite its flaws. What I hate sometimes is how the fanbase can be overlynegative about the subject.

By the way, last episode's writer was the same as Universe 4 episode with Damon, which may explain a certain drop.

[up] That's a pretty good review.

edited 6th Feb '18 12:04:56 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#77593: Feb 6th 2018 at 12:06:13 PM

We're no more "negative" than any other reviewer who does the same thing :V

That review I posted pointed out the same problems that we've been talking about for pages now, are they "negative" too?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77594: Feb 6th 2018 at 12:06:38 PM

I've said this before, but I think a lot of the "overly negative" only happens because certain people respond to any negativity badly, and it just results in people going more in depth with their issues, which also gets branded as "overly negative".

I'm not saying this happens all the time, sometimes people (myself included, probably) go overboard, but I think talks of calling this thread "toxic" are very exaggerated and over the line.

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#77595: Feb 6th 2018 at 12:09:33 PM

I don't know, maybe too much 4chan was bad for me alongside a bad day. Besides of morons who use the term "True fans" to bash Super or anything, which just annoys me to no end.

I never called the thread toxic. I was talking about the general fanbase, not you guys, you guys are cool. I come here everyday for a reason, no?

EXCEPT YOU PUSHOVER MEDIA CRITIC

edited 6th Feb '18 12:13:57 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#77596: Feb 6th 2018 at 12:12:23 PM

@LSBK

I wasn't complaining about hard work not being important, just saying that you can't say "well Vegeta trains hard so he deserves to get so-and-so transformation" because loads of people work hard as him for much less power reward.

Heck, all Vegeta would need to do is get five Saiyans together for the ritual. He just can't be bothered. I don't even know why they didn't just put that detail in.

edited 6th Feb '18 12:55:53 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#77597: Feb 6th 2018 at 12:17:05 PM

[up][up] This is why you don't get into debates on /a/ that site is filled with people with little to no social skills :V

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#77598: Feb 6th 2018 at 12:18:19 PM

Yeah, but they are also the best at making fun of something. The memes during the Future Trunks saga were hilarious.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#77599: Feb 6th 2018 at 12:20:21 PM

I do wonder... what do people outside of this thread think of this thread? I've had the same thought for a few other threads that I frequent, and it makes me wonder.

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#77600: Feb 6th 2018 at 12:22:27 PM

The problem with this thread is that it has the tendency to get very confrontational or defensive when people confront some of this criticism and at time confront anyone who's say anything remotely positive about Super. Or point out the very ranty tone of this thread.


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