It is possible that, having done the attack before, Vegeta perhaps managed to cut off before he used all his energy this time. Something he wouldn't have known the first time for obvious reasons.
Unlikely though; this was just being dumb.
One Strip! One Strip!That depends. Do you mean DB the manga or DB the anime?
If you're talking about DB up to the end of the 23rd Budokai arc, then no. It doesn't have anywhere near the high moments of later arcs, it has plenty of illogical/inconsistent moments as Toriyama was still figuring out his shift into more serious stuff, and overall it's just not that interesting.
I kinda wish that if Toriyama had wanted to do more serious work, he'd just started fresh instead of sticking with DB.
He really does seem to prefer the gag stuff, even if he's pretty good at more serious work.
One Strip! One Strip!Any success with serious stuff is generally holding it to a much lower standard than we would of most manga, if you ask me.
The Saiyan Saga's pretty good, but there are giant plot related problems with the Freeza, Cell and Buu arcs that you just didn't get in pre-Z arcs, with the exception of the King Piccolo arc (which still ends really well).
The Z stuff does have the various character arcs going for it but they all get derailed by the end of Buu so I don't really give it that much credit for that.
Some stuff is so obvious it barely needs saying, like the ridiculous power inflation DB started to suffer note and after a while the funny gimmick fights began to be replaced by sheer grunting matches after Ginyu, really.
It's not that there's any point where you can say "right, after here, pure shit" because even the later arcs have stuff like Gohan coming into his own, Saiyaman antics, Vegeta's sacrifice, etc.
But there comes a point where the good bits are the exception, not the norm, and I think that really starts when Goku touches down on Namek and the tense cat and mouse game is immediately abandoned.
edited 4th Feb '18 1:02:56 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"I actually kind of agree. Sure, we hold gag stuff to a lower standard, but that just means we are pleasantly surprised when it actually does do things well.
Like, sure the post-Time skip portion of Dragon Ball certainly has all of the franchises` most defining moments, but I don't think a lot of people actually realize just how flawed everything surrounding those moments actually are.
The pre-Time skip parts weren't perfect and I can name a few flaws myself, but they didn't feel as egregious and because the series wasn't taken as seriously, you could shrug it off a bit better than afterward where you're expected to take everything that happens super seriously.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.That wasn't the problem...apparently.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.You know what I'd really like?
A sort of time skip thing where a couple of kids start learning martial arts from an old hermit up on Mt. Paozu, his name is Master Goku. There are a bunch of gags where they have to bring him food to persuade him to train them. He's not as powerful as he used to be due to age and battle stress but his massive experience makes him a good teacher.
They have adventures, then some massive threat comes along and the old master has to bust out the blonde locks to beat it, but dies in the process. So you'd have some sort of passing the torch moment.
You'd see all the other characters at one point or another, as guest stars and stuff like that. (Goten and Trunks would be working with Jaco, Gohan would be a doctor, Piccolo would go back to being God, etc.)
That's what I would do instead of having another sequel with the primary cast. I'd just move it along.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"There are aspects of pre-timeskip dragon ball that i absolutely adore, stuff that you just can't find in Z and Super and GT. Kid Goku is one of my favorite characters in the franchise and I love it whenever he shows up in one of the games.
BUT Z has all of the hypest most series defining moments. The reason everyone remembers Z stuff was because that's where the series hit its stride. Sure, there are ultimately lower lows and its own set of issues but it was iconic despite them.
Dragon Ball might be more consistent in quality and story, but Z is the series identity for a reason.
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-MaeI will give it that; the Z period has probably the single best arc in the series with the Saiyan Saga. It also has a lot of iconic moments. But it also keeps setting rules for itself that keep tripping itself up and I feel introduce a lot of stuff that ended up being hindrances for its storytelling.
edited 4th Feb '18 2:19:47 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
I don't think that's ever gonna happen. It'd be a good way to do something fresh, but consider how we discussed before how Toriyama seems to prefer to stick to what he knows (and his attempt to do otherwise resulted in him back-pedalling), Dragonball the Next Generation is a pipe dream.
One Strip! One Strip!You guys can't forget though, that one of the reasons everyone remembers Z over the original is because at least as far as north America goes. They premiere the entire series first before even touching the original show.
That's possibly why to this day, there still some people who admit to never seeing the original series.
I thought it was literally a prequel that was made after Z.... that for some reason looked older.
This song needs more love.I saw "Z" first...but it was Cell Saga.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Or that there wouldn't be much interest in Dragon Ball at all.
I don't think it was a bad decision - the gag manga nature wasn't necessarily the humour western kids would expect, and it isn't as exciting as later parts.
Also, the Z parts are more popular in Japan as well. Hell, going off interviews that talk about the serialization, it wasn't even very popular before the Saiyan arc.
Which is hard to imagine given that it had lasted for 16 volumes, but it appears that the explosive popularity of the later series is what has made Jump such a cutthroat place to be.
Also, really disagree with the seris reaching the point where good bits are the exception rather than the norm. Unless the alternative is just being okay, which I'd say is the norm for the entire series. Pre-Z has a more consistent quality... in that it is consistently just 'okay'. Z has more good moments.
edited 4th Feb '18 5:53:07 PM by Saiga

That's exactly the point actually: Vegeta's shirt heroically sacrificed itself in Vegeta's place.
It wasn't such a Badman after all.
edited 4th Feb '18 10:37:13 AM by Anomalocaris20
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