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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#77076: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:19:49 PM

Yeah, it's not particularly imaginative but it wasn't pulled out of their ass either, essentially.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77077: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:21:24 PM

[up][up] That works for me because it really cements Gohan as selfless. He doesn't want anyone getting hurt, and he's caring enough to be moved even by 16's death.

Also not sure what part you're disagreeing with when you don't elaborate. But it's inarguable that there is a difference between series that let you gain more power from friendship or anger alone compared to ones that require an actual power-up to do so.

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:22:29 PM by Saiga

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77078: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:22:04 PM

Personally, I always felt like Gohan not having a deep attachment to 16 made his transformation more meaningful, because it said more about him as a person. It didn't need to be his best friend, or his dad, or Piccolo or something, just the fact that someone died and he could have saved them but didn't was more than enough, and I found that great.

Huh, [nja]'d.

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:22:27 PM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77079: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:22:08 PM

There's nothing wrong with it, sure, but literally almost everything you say in regard to it is "there's absolutely nothing wrong with any of it, why do you guys complain?"

Not in the mood, Saiga.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#77080: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:23:55 PM

I don't disagree, since Gohan has always been selfless, but I would still like if the two talked about, I don't know, something before 16 bit the dust.

Android 16 speech is still my favorite speech in the series, though.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77081: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:23:55 PM

There's still a difference between that and calling an entire show perfect, there have been plenty of episodes or scenes where you have literally said nothing is wrong.

[up] 16 talked about wanting to kill Goku in front of Gohan, does that count?

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:24:19 PM by Saiga

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77082: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:24:51 PM

I HAVE LITERALLY NOT, THOUGH.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77083: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:24:54 PM

[up][up][up][up]Except you were totally doing that in the post that was in reference to.

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:25:07 PM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#77084: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:25:32 PM

16 and Gohan having a moment would have been nice.

I always wonder what changes I would make for a remake of the series, and giving Gohan a bigger role during the Cell arc is one of those changes; I think maybe if he had had a bit of a tussle with 16 prior to 16 turning good that would have been good. Would have given 16 more time to breathe since he doesn't really get a big action outing.

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:26:22 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#77085: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:25:37 PM

[up] Part of me would love an Ultimate Universe treatment, but another side of me doesn't. Dragon ball is like Sonic The hedgehog, where no one can agree on what they like.

This is a very flawed series, there are good things, and bad things. Let's all be friends here.

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:26:41 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77086: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:25:57 PM

There are bad things and worse things

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77087: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:27:01 PM

I mean, Super has things I like, I'm not saying it doesn't. But there are plenty of things that I (and others) find wrong with it, and many of Pushover's arguments against that never seem particularly convincing. And I don't think that's (significantly) due to inherent bias against it, because I don't think anyone here wants to dislike Super.

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:28:13 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77088: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:27:37 PM

I miss the original dub Z music.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#77089: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:28:32 PM

[up] I don't. I know people love it, but I'm not fond of it.

Saiga, don't be overly negative. There are good things even among the bad things, and there are bad things among the good.

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:30:22 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#77090: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:29:01 PM

[up][up]Ehhh...

Like, there's nothing particularly wrong with the falconer score, and I'm no weeb. But some songs in the Japanese version are just, really really good (see the image song that Gohan goes SSJ 2 for, for instance) and not a lot of the falconer score hit that for me (well, Final Flash is pretty good).

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:29:22 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77091: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:30:17 PM

Both have their good points and bad points. The Faulconer stuff never really gave scenes time to breath.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77092: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:30:32 PM

[up][up][up] bad among the bad

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:30:42 PM by Saiga

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77093: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:30:51 PM

Yeah true.

I just feel some songs fit actually better than the ones in Kai.

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:31:10 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77094: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:30:56 PM

Me saying an episode is fantastic is NOWHERE NEAR saying it is flawless. There is at least one thing I would change to improve EVERYTHING. BECAUSE NOTHING IS PERFECT. I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT SOMETHING IS PERFECT BECAUSE I THINK THE VERY IDEA OF PERFECTION IS CHILDISH AND IMPOSSIBLE. I KNOW I'VE NEVER DONE IT BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER DO IT.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#77095: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:31:46 PM

There are bad things and worse things

If you believed that, you wouldn't be here.

Even if we disregard Super, you obviously enjoyed the original series right?

One Strip! One Strip!
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#77096: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:31:47 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Yeah looking back, I liked his score for power ups and the big attacks, but it was pretty bad for the actual slice of life stuff.

Everyone ready for the Android 17 Blanco hype next episode?

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:32:25 PM by Lionheart0

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#77097: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:31:58 PM

Can you please not type paragraphs in caps PMC? it sounds like... well, it shouldn't sound like anything, but it hurts my ears.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77098: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:32:57 PM

That's cool, no-one was saying that.

If you believed that, you wouldn't be here.

Well yeah, I assumed that quote was specific to Super.

Also, yes, I am mostly joking as evidenced by the things I have pointed out that I liked or had potential in the past.

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:34:09 PM by Saiga

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77099: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:33:27 PM

[up][up]Sorry. I'm just angry. I'll stop.

edited 3rd Feb '18 8:35:08 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77100: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:34:23 PM

[up][up][up][up] Yeah I'm just really missing it during the action scenes.

You really can't replace the SS 3 theme my homies.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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