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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#77026: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:31:06 PM

Like the man gave up everything for his universe & Vegeta & even his fucking "friend" just shit on him. Seriously why would Jiren praise Vegeta? He doesn't even know him or his personal motives. All he is to him is just some arrogant prick so why is he better than his own damn friend?

Jiren, for little characterization he actually has, pegs me as the type of person who respects people who stay true to their convictions. This goes back to a couple of episodes ago where Jiren initially dismissed fighting Vegeta but later came to respect him.

Toppo, when backed into a corner, "gave up on justice."

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77027: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:31:32 PM

Ah, one step closer to killing everyone you know and love. Truly worthy of the praise. Seriously, what is this obsession with pride? Didn't Vegeta gave up his pride by doing the bingo dance? Being willing to sacrifice your convictions for the sake of others is more heroic than keeping your dignity.

edited 3rd Feb '18 7:33:39 PM by Ikedatakeshi

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77028: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:33:21 PM

I mean I can get that but Goddamn be a little more empathetic is all I'm saying. Jeez warrior respect does not fit superheroes.

[up] Yeah Vegeta shouldn't even be talking about his pride really. Its been long brutally murdered.

edited 3rd Feb '18 7:33:51 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
NieOrginalny Rapidly changing picture from Very Far Away Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Rapidly changing picture
#77029: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:35:21 PM

[up][up] Hey, bingo dance wasn't in Super. They must have planned it all along.

I am procastrinating, but not excessively I think.
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77030: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:37:16 PM

Everything he did in front of Beerus is sacrificing his pride. The bingo dance is just iconic.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#77031: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:37:19 PM

I want jiren to win and use his wish to revive vegeta and only vegeta and give him toppos spot on the pride troopers

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77032: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:38:11 PM

If you're serious...

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77033: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:38:36 PM

Has it not occurred to you that our opinions tend to clash about this stuff.

It has! I just either disagree or don't understand your criticisms.

How did I know you were going to same something exactly like this...

...because I openly like this show, and there's nothing wrong with that?

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#77034: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:39:42 PM

[up][up]im only mostly joking

My true prefered ending is goku winning the wish and wishing king kai back

NieOrginalny Rapidly changing picture from Very Far Away Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#77035: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:40:18 PM

All you are wrong. The only good ending will be 17 getting the wish and getting his boat.

I am procastrinating, but not excessively I think.
CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#77036: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:40:26 PM

You know I keep seeing similar people saying similar things across several threads and at this point I'd wondering if they love being bitter at things. :/

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77037: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:40:59 PM

Or they're just voicing their opinion.

CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#77038: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:41:52 PM

Could be. Im just thinking aloud.

edited 3rd Feb '18 7:42:12 PM by CountofBleck

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77039: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:42:29 PM

Its called critiquing.

Even this is a discussion.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77040: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:47:00 PM

yeah flucuating emotions=stronger saiyan has been a thing since forever.

No it hasn't. It was a Gohan thing, and when BOG did it, they didn't explain it or justify it.

Yeah, this isn't the first time they've contradicted what is previously established for a stupid, unjustified power-up but that doesn't make it any better.

Gotenks learning Super Saiyan 3 is bull in of itself because he didn't have years of training, not the kind that Goku did anyway, and thus shouldn't be able to unlock it. But he did it in two weeks, indicating that the hurdle for obtaining it isn't that high. It'd be more inconsistent for 3 to be difficult for Caulifa/Kale to obtain easily when 1 and 2 obviously weren't; there's precedent for them unlocking new forms extremely fast.

Gotenks isn't beyond the two of them in any capacity other than maybe popularity, note . Even if he was stronger than them, that wouldn't have any bearing on their learning capacity. Being a fusion doesn't affect that at all.

That's... a horrible comparison. No, it is not more inconsistent for the girls to have a harder time than 3. Three is much harder than two.

Gotenks should definitely be more powerful than the girls, Super just really undersells him. In the Boo arc he was much stronger than Goku, and the girls are portrayed as being more of a 'normal' Saiyan level with Cabba being comparable to Vegeta and them being comparable, but inferior, to Goku. Remember, SS 2 Caulifla is weaker than SS 2 Goku. The only reason that Caulifla learned those forms quickly is because she's a prodigy - the same reason they gave Goten, Trunks and Gotenks. And being a prodigy, and a much more powerful one, only let Gotenks learn 3 in two weeks.

Power is completely relevant because the Super Saiyan forms all require a certain level of power to achieve.

Also... you say they should have 3 because them fighting God Goku with 2 is bullshit, but now you're arguing that their fight with God Goku is a legit measurement of their strength? Even though we saw that Caulifla is inferior to SS 2 Goku and therefore should be NOTHING compared to God anyway? Nothing about that scene makes sense which makes it hard to support your argument with this.

I didn't like the idea of "developing" UI in the first place. It's just another way for the anime to waste time on making Goku tougher, giving him another new form to master when he'd barely mastered the last one. We need more scenes of Goku thinking outside of the box and growing mentally, like using landmines and baiting Jiren into falling off of the ring, and fewer scenes of Goku learning how to better use his god powers a little more every time he gets punched in the face.

I disagree then. Giving UI an element of 'some assembly required' is interesting and the only reason I even like the form so far, because it hasn't really been done this way before. More build up is always nice, instead of the form suddenly appearing and then winning or losing its debut. Also, Goku's mine strategy was idiotic, there was nothing clever about it and if Super can't write clever they shouldn't try.

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Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#77041: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:47:08 PM

And the moment someone decided to voice a positive opinion, the reaction was, “Of course you would think that.” As if their opinion doesn’t count for some reason.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77042: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:47:27 PM

No, it's because of the extremely repetitive nature of it. It's almost word for word each time

edited 3rd Feb '18 7:48:11 PM by Saiga

CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#77043: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:48:38 PM

I just worry about people being overly critical at times. Sucks all the fun and Goodwill from the atmosphere.

Not that it's an excuse for bad writing or execution but like....relax. it's gonna be ok.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77044: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:49:29 PM

I would always have Pop Team Epic to cheer me up.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#77045: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:50:42 PM

Blah Blah Pride Blah Blah Prince of Saiyans

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77046: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:52:18 PM

Its not like we don't talk about positive things.

Stop making us sound like a bunch of constant pessimists.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#77047: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:54:17 PM

Then im not talking about you then. The offenders know who they are.

edited 3rd Feb '18 7:54:54 PM by CountofBleck

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#77048: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:54:37 PM

We talk about positive things?

Well i guess we talked about fighterz a bit

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77049: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:56:13 PM

Like my walls of text are any less credible or predictable than Saiga's.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#77050: Feb 3rd 2018 at 7:57:33 PM

I like how critiquing an episode's flaws counts as "being negative" now.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

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