Yeah he really isn't.
Makes me feel really embarrassed to have bought in the hype & that particular piece of fanon early on.
It was something someone mentioned long, long ago when Jiren first appeared in the new OP, someone said he's the closest we'll get to Superman here & I latched on to it cause it was an interesting concept.
edited 3rd Feb '18 6:04:02 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Yeah especially since Jiren & Toppo are supposed to be sworn friends so the former should be more empathetic to what the latter did.
Even Batman's not that mean, just look at the Injustice series on the topic of Superman's downfall.
Vegeta's just being an arrogant prick to him, there shouldn't be much he finds respectable.
edited 3rd Feb '18 6:11:47 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."In fairness, this whole tournament everyone's acted like nothing is at stake. Which is why I've always said that this tournament should have been for shits and giggles. Or something like, the biggest feast ever and only the winning universe is invited (and it would be especially hilarious if Goku then went all serious business when he heard that was the reward.)
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"This episode felt like it had nothing to do with what came before it, all the dramatic build up from the last episode was gone. After having Toppo erase literally everything that was thrown at him, and erasing an energy attack by flicking a tiny destruction ball at it, we go to 17 and Freeza... throwing rocks at him, and it apperently somewhat working. Then Toppo meets up with Jiren, and Jiren's stray blast buries 17 and Freeza in rubble for the rest of the episode, making all the time Toppo was taking with them seem worthless.
After a short while of Toppo beating up Vegeta a bit, he uses the power of friendship/love to power up, and use an attack that doesn't even make such sense to use in this situation, that was only pulled out because he used Final Flash way too much already, and for a cheap callback to Buu saga. Did he REALLY need to use up all of his energy when he was easily beating up Toppo and even punching through his destruction energy?
I'd try to ponder on something about Jiren, but I'm too tired so I'll just say that his roundhouse kick on Goku was pretty hilarious.
I am procastrinating, but not excessively I think.Y'know, as silly as No Selling divine power with friendship and punching is... this show is for kids above all else,
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Then kids are all dumb.
I'm not sorry.
edited 3rd Feb '18 6:28:23 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah just cause its for kids doesn't mean they shouldn't try.
I mean look at Star Wars: The Clone Wars, that show was for kids & damn was it awesome.
Also the original series was for kids too & it never went to fucking nakama levels.
edited 3rd Feb '18 6:29:18 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Yeah Jiren doesn't have anything in common with Superman other than being a superhero and stronger than Goku :P.
That wouldn't have worked since Ultra Instinct was also rapidly running out of energy. Watching them dance around waiting to see who runs out of energy first would have been way less cool.
This episode: Yeah, this episode was a disappointment after how good the last one was. Things I really liked such as Toppo's Destruction barrier that made energy attacks useless and the "floating islands" aspect of the destroyed arena are nowhere to be seen. Plus Toppo just had way less menace in general. Not sure if I'm ready for four episodes of Jiren, but maybe I'll be surprised.
Having seen the episode just now...
..I'm not really sure whats so bad about it?
I feel like this thread was blowing out any flaws it had out of proportion.
The only flaws I saw were a weak first half, animation wise.
Watch SymphogearThe point of comparison is still two characters not using their full strength being antagonized by characters who are far weaker.
- Beerus is not trying -> Beerus is not using his full strength -> Vegeta can push him back.
- God!Goku is tired -> Goku is not fighting at full strength -> Kale and Caulifa can push him back.
This isn't a great comparison admittedly and I'm defending it more out of stubbornness than it being essential to my argument, so I'd like to move on from this.
Gotenks learning Super Saiyan 3 is bull in of itself because he didn't have years of training, not the kind that Goku did anyway, and thus shouldn't be able to unlock it. But he did it in two weeks, indicating that the hurdle for obtaining it isn't that high. It'd be more inconsistent for 3 to be difficult for Caulifa/Kale to obtain easily when 1 and 2 obviously weren't; there's precedent for them unlocking new forms extremely fast.
Gotenks isn't beyond the two of them in any capacity other than maybe popularity, note . Even if he was stronger than them, that wouldn't have any bearing on their learning capacity. Being a fusion doesn't affect that at all.
I didn't like the idea of "developing" UI in the first place. It's just another way for the anime to waste time on making Goku tougher, giving him another new form to master when he'd barely mastered the last one. We need more scenes of Goku thinking outside of the box and growing mentally, like using landmines and baiting Jiren into falling off of the ring, and fewer scenes of Goku learning how to better use his god powers a little more every time he gets punched in the face.
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!When 18 defeated Ribrianne with power of love, it was cool, funny and actually made some kind of sense. She was fighting against a magical girl who preached about love a lot, but her definition of love was incredibly skewed and carricatural, so having her be defeated thanks to genuine love was a fitting end for her, plus she seemed to have started to realize her mistake afterwards and kept on cheering for her teammates. It's also not like she was a major player to begin with.
But with Vegeta and Toppo? There was no irony there, there was nothing clever about that, Vegeta was losing, he got a moment to think about his family and the saiyans, and then just started easily beating Toppo.
I am procastrinating, but not excessively I think.Straw that breaks that camel's back. Only this camel is already a half-dead quadriplegic on life support while also suffering from cancer. It's not the worst Super episode, it's not first episode that ruined the buildup of the previous one, it's not the first to use BS powerups and inconsistent power levels, but I'm sick and tired of this endless disappointment that Super puts out. When I say this episode reminds me of Fairy Tail, I meant it.

Yeah, the Jiren = Superman thing just seems really forced on the fanbase's side. And I feel is influenced by bringing western expectations to a character based on a specific Japanese subgenre.