x5 Actually Kuririn is called the strongest Earthling in the manga as well, in the Boo arc.
And the fact that Kuririn stopped training is irrelevant with the lead he had, which makes it easy to argue he's stronger even before Toriyama's comment.
There's nothing ridiculous about Toriyama's comment. It just means Ten's training didn't let him grow strong enough, and there's no rule that it WOULD have to be enough
edited 1st Feb '18 5:39:16 PM by Saiga
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According to V-Jump, yes. I would argue there's absolutely no evidence of that in the story, but whatever. That's just 75'000. That Krillin has let go to rot.
That's.... what?
Oh so it's actually in the manga. It's still completely retarded, but I guess it's unarguable canon now.
There's something morbidly depressing about Dragonball. Train for ten years, doesn't matter, get a head pat form some green asshole's the important thing. Sometimes I wish this series had just ended at the 23rd Budokai.
edited 1st Feb '18 5:42:42 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"True, the only rules that have been broken here are the rules of good writing but... god, this is Dragonball, was I really expecting even the slightest bit of dignity there. This series has been doing that since Goku drank the Super Holy Water and just randomly powered up. Super Saiyan, potential unleashed, yadda yadda... it's really a big "what not to do" guide at times.
edited 1st Feb '18 5:46:12 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"I don't even mind Tien being weak, I mind that hard work is displaced by Saiyan powers and old men just grabbing your head or doing a dance and suddenly becoming the strongest ever. There's just something... depressing about it.
edited 1st Feb '18 5:47:46 PM by Sigilbreaker26
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Tell that to Rock Lee.
While the power ups were often arbitrary, I don't think being inconsistent about it would have made things any better. We've gotten a glimpse of what that looks like in Super and it's not pretty.
I mean, he really didn't amount to much either. It's one of the (many) BrokenAesops in Naruto that people bitterly rail against.
edited 1st Feb '18 5:51:38 PM by LSBK
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Rock Lee was actually really goddamn strong. Like, he wasn't the strongest, and he got no fights after a while, but thanks to hard work and gumption he was consistently one of the strongest fighters among the rookies. I'd put him ahead of the rest of them aside from Naruto and Sasuke obviously (yeah, I'd put him above Sakura because she has zero answer to his speed). As for Might Guy... shit. He was Rock Lee, but older, and actually got fights. Really, really good fights.
Rock Lee was underused but it's not like his training counted for nothing.
Super is just bullshit that doesn't bother giving even a cursory explanation. It's exactly the same sort of shit that happened in DBZ just without bothering to insult anyone's intelligence.
edited 1st Feb '18 5:53:46 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"That's one way of putting it.
There are plenty of strong guys in Naruto without any bloodline tricks at all. Heck, Aside from Hashirama most of the Hokage are that - Tobirama just developed a bunch of great techniques and had really good water control, Hiruzen had one really good summon and loads and loads of conventional techniques, Minato mastered one of the strongest techniques in the setting and developed another personally and Tsunade weaponized a medical technique to an absurd degree.
Rock Lee is impressive for where he is because by Naruto standards he's disabled, but you really don't need special bullshit powerups to be good in Naruto... it's just that certain characters do get them. Which sticks in my craw something fierce.
edited 1st Feb '18 6:00:33 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"I don't think he counts as disabled. I doubt most people are particularly talented with chakra and such, he just decided to become a ninja despite all that. And while impressive and all, the message becomes a bit lost when he's not actually allowed to win any of the fights he's given, and then just stops getting fights.
Indeed.
Well, my salt has derailed this thread long enough, back on topic.
Anyone here enjoying Fighter Z?
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

So did Goku
Tien stronger than Goku confirmed
edited 1st Feb '18 5:34:56 PM by EpicBleye
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