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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#76776: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:17:59 PM

My supporting cast comment is in relation to Super.

It needs improvement though its already too late for that what with Super ending & all.

The supporting cast was fine in the OG & Z.

edited 1st Feb '18 2:18:35 PM by slimcoder

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76777: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:20:13 PM

[up][up] Well, that is the main moment. There are also some questionable decisions in the Namek Saga as well on his part.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#76778: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:21:51 PM

Like?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76779: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:22:37 PM

I feel the need to mention that on top of being stronger, Krillin is also Goku's best friend. That might just have something to do with why he was used more.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76780: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:23:11 PM

Like speeding back top speed with the Dragonball; after that point Krillin really just stops mattering. I could also say that he never really uses his Kienzan strategically but I'm not sure if I should blame that on him.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#76781: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:24:36 PM

[up][up]More like it is. Krillin just has more to offer as a character being the main character's closest friend, than Tien, who was mostly just a rival to be surpassed. Even his "stoic no-nonsense" attitude was quickly overtaken by Piccolo and Vegeta, who have much more interesting characters as well.

[up] Vegeta was already tracking him anyway though. The only thing you can fault Krillin for is not noticing him, but Vegeta was going to find him sooner or later.

edited 1st Feb '18 2:26:02 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76782: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:27:32 PM

Maybe I should have just put sarcasm tags around it. I didn't actually think that being the reason was in question. He just has a stronger connection to Goku, and therefore he gets to be involved more. It's pretty standard, really.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#76783: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:29:27 PM

It's a reason not many people actually understand because everyone is so focused on power levels and nostalgia rather than what makes sense for a good story.

And ya know, I understand feeling like some of these character deserve better. But like, they served their purpose. I do agree Toriyama should have just wrote them out, which he eventually did to be fair.

edited 1st Feb '18 2:30:23 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76784: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:31:42 PM

[up] Yep, those are the real big problems with Dragonball, especially the latest stuff.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#76785: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:35:08 PM

That's mostly a Super related problem than a Dragon Ball problem though. The only time I can say the human cast was truly superfluous was the Android saga. They showed up to fight an opponent none of them could realistically take on.

In any other arc, they either serve a purpose (even if it's to just die) or they just don't appear.

In fact, the only characters I can say were truly useless from start to end were...Launch, Yamcha, Puar, and Chaotzu

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76786: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:36:42 PM

He, Yamcha and Puar cut off Goku's tail that one time when he was rampaging.

edited 1st Feb '18 2:37:04 PM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76787: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:37:41 PM

Yamcha has won a fight in the series, against Invisible Man, and has... okay, that's pretty much it. The rest are pretty much bit players, usually comic relief or support.

Huh, yeah, Puar turned into scissors didn't he.

edited 1st Feb '18 2:38:02 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#76788: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:41:24 PM

[up][up] Yea, that's all in the first arc though. Kind of blew their load early.

[up] Launch maybe, but her joke quickly wore thin which is likely why she just stayed as her blonde angry self. Puar only really served as a foil to Oolong at first, but that was phased out the series moved on from it's gag roots, and Chaotzu was barely a character to begin with.

Yamcha isn't so bad, he ironically got new life after becoming a meme from being such a loser. Seriously, he's the only character who has an exclusive dramatic finish in Fighter Z of subverting his most embarrassing moment lol.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76789: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:45:42 PM

Just got Fighterz and Yamcha is proving really fun to play. I love how he fights, and that little trick he does when he backflips and then charges.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#76790: Feb 1st 2018 at 2:47:26 PM

Don't let your memes be dreams.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#76791: Feb 1st 2018 at 4:39:27 PM

You know, kind of off-topic, but I decided to write a fanfiction about the Universe 6 Saiyans (mostly, how Cabba became an elite Saiyan). I needed to write something as I was rusty from the cancellation of my original projects.

Is not the big deal, but from my writing shaenigans, I can't see to take this picture out of my head: Frost is basically Senator Palpatine from the prequels.

He is charismatic, but so obviously evil, I can't help but write him this way. I mean, how did the Saiyans never noticed the man was sending them to staged missions? Honestly, this makes him more amusing to write and more interesting than Frieza ever was.

Also, headcanon: Frost father name was Ise, and he was called "the wise", and was killed in his sleep.

Sorry for he commentary.

edited 1st Feb '18 4:40:58 PM by Tomodachi

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76792: Feb 1st 2018 at 4:40:49 PM

Can you fanfic them to not have noodle arms?

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#76793: Feb 1st 2018 at 4:41:15 PM

[up][up]He is charismatic, but so obviously evil

If he's obviously evil, how did he manage to fool so many real-life people?

[up]Personally, I love the idea of super-strong people having close to zero muscle mass. Like final form Frieza, in a way

edited 1st Feb '18 4:42:32 PM by MightyMatilda

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#76794: Feb 1st 2018 at 4:42:46 PM

[up] Because he is charismatic

[up] I can see that, you appear to be a fan of Sonic the Hedgehog, which has Knuckles and Mighty have super strenght despite having noodle arms.

[up] [up] I already have Caulifla mocking Cabba for being "boney" before he entered into the Coliseum games, so no. Although, I kind of wrote the two as just young and slender, while the other Saiyans have a more standard body figure. I'm going to call Cabba "The Bamboo Saiyan" as his insult in the story.

edited 1st Feb '18 4:55:12 PM by Tomodachi

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#76795: Feb 1st 2018 at 5:07:29 PM

I don't know why people argue about Krillin and Tien. Android 17 is obviously the strongest human.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#76796: Feb 1st 2018 at 5:26:14 PM

As Shlugo pointed out, the same source for Ten's alien heritage also classifies him as an 'Earthling' because the heritage is so distant. There is no argument that he's stronger than Kuririn.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76797: Feb 1st 2018 at 5:29:16 PM

There is only one point that he can be weaker, and that is the pre-Buu Saga period after Krillin got his upgrade from Guru. (He could very well be weaker then, I did only say "probably".) But there's no way Tien didn't make up the difference in 7 years of nothing but training while Krillin basically retired.

edited 1st Feb '18 5:29:54 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#76798: Feb 1st 2018 at 5:31:06 PM

So Tien is an alien and not some enlightened monk?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#76799: Feb 1st 2018 at 5:31:10 PM

Yes there is. There is no formula or rule for yow much characters improve over time.

Ten started out hilariously far behind and turned down more efficient methods of training, opting to go with MOUNTAIN TRAINING, which is memetic for how useless it is

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76800: Feb 1st 2018 at 5:34:01 PM

Krillin basically retires after the Cell Arc. I don't care how memetically useless MOUNTAIN TRAINING is supposed to be, Tien never stopped training, and Krillin got to the point that he could be hurt by bullets by Ro F.

If it wasn't for Toriyama's ridiculous Word of God there would be absolutely no argument for Buu Saga Krillin being stronger.

edited 1st Feb '18 5:34:56 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

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