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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#76626: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:07:54 PM

The thing is, Trunks has a form stronger than SS2 that looks similar to SS2 in both versions, so it's easy to assume that's just something Toriyama included in the outline of the arc. The anime just decided to do something dramatic with it and give it narrative weight, whereas the manga just threw it in and forgot about it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#76627: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:08:04 PM

A combo of arrogance & blood knightery.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#76628: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:09:30 PM

Well, Gohan doing something significant at the end of the Cell saga is a defining moment for the franchise so I'm not sure if your theory holds up.

And then it was negated in the very next arc because he's not who now? Goku.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#76629: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:13:08 PM

The Manga version of his new form doesn't make sense because it's not SSJ 3... except it is, sort of. It puts him on par with SSJ 3 Goku, it just doesn't grow his hair. It's just sort of there's this embargo on anyone other than Goku and Gotenks getting the Mc Coy SSJ 3 and I don't know why.

His SSR form in the anime just makes no sense whatsoever, similar to how Vegeta having SSB without going through the God ritual makes no sense.

edited 30th Jan '18 5:13:50 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#76630: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:14:05 PM

The funny thing is that he has SS 3 in Dragon Ball Heroes.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#76631: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:17:26 PM

Ya know I think Rage is a better name than Berserk at least.

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#76632: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:20:38 PM

The manga actually explains it very well: Super Saiyan 2 + No slacking off like Gohan = A stronger version of 2. And since Trunks didn't die and go to the other world, he didn't found the 3 transformation.

How did Gotenks archieve that, again?

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#76633: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:24:24 PM

SS 2 is basically a perfected version of Super Saiyan. SS 3 is overloading SS with tons of Ki. Since Gotenks has a lot of pure power from the fusion, he can achieve SS 3, but he wouldn't be able to use SS 2 since he never learned how to perfect Super Saiyan.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#76634: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:27:15 PM

How did Gotenks archieve that, again?

The good ol' "Wow! I can't believe he managed to copy that after only seeing it once! What an incredible fighter!". (also, a week of training)

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#76635: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:36:59 PM

Gotenks didn't even see the transformation in the manga.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#76636: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:37:59 PM

But... why can neither Vegeta nor F. Trunks use it?

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#76637: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:40:42 PM

Vegeta probably can he just doesn't need to now.

This song needs more love.
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#76638: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:42:41 PM

Headcanon: Vegeta is smart, and already knows the form weakness, and Trunks probably wants to avoid using a form similar to the Steroid-one he tried to use.

Canon: No one knows.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76639: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:45:08 PM

Vegeta knows the form is basically useless in a living body if you can't (or won't) finish a fight immediately because he was there when Goku fought Kid Buu.

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#76640: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:46:43 PM

Vegeta probably doesn't use Super Saiyan 3 for the same reason he didn't use Super Saiyan Grade 3. Too many drawbacks.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#76641: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:49:58 PM

Plus he'd probably be all mah pride about it too.

Why use a form Kakarot came up with when he can do better than that?

One Strip! One Strip!
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#76642: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:51:13 PM

I love it when a character can be described with "Muh X", is easy to make jokes about them that way.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#76643: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:54:00 PM

Anyone remember when Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta was considered a crazy addition to Raging Blast? Now it's easily the second-most plausible what-if transformation in Heroes.

This song needs more love.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#76644: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:56:45 PM

After what? Super Saiyan 2 Vegetto?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#76645: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:57:46 PM

A tie between Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta and Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto. There is no reason those shouldn't already exist.

This song needs more love.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#76646: Jan 30th 2018 at 6:20:14 PM

Either way, I would rather F. Trunks have either gotten an Ultimate mode a la Gohan from the Kais or that he would just go God via a ritual, because going half and half makes zero sense whatsoever.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Demetrios Making darkness adorable since 1999 from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Making darkness adorable since 1999
#76647: Jan 30th 2018 at 7:09:08 PM

Speaking of Gotenks, what is it with him and showboating?

Come on! Let's bless them all until we get fershnickered!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#76648: Jan 30th 2018 at 7:09:41 PM

Trunks.

He's a bad influence.

edited 30th Jan '18 7:09:59 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#76649: Jan 30th 2018 at 8:04:11 PM

It was Trunks' idea to drag out the fight...

That's like the last scene of the show...

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#76650: Jan 30th 2018 at 8:43:26 PM

To be fair, their fathers aren't really that much better when it comes to dragging out fights but I see their point.

"Mai waifu."

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