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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#76351: Jan 27th 2018 at 6:49:47 PM

Honestly, I don't complain about 17. Along Gohan, he is the one using brains, but unlike Gohan, he has the infinite energy and energy shield with him.

Damn, Toppo scared the crap out of me. I can imagine how the parodies are going to play Toppo as either a rapist (Because what he did should be censored) or a mexican luchador libre (Because moustache)

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76352: Jan 27th 2018 at 6:52:08 PM

[up]How has 17 "used his brains" more than anyone else? Or Gohan, for that matter?

And 17's energy isn't "infinite" in the sense that he should still be able to fight someone like Toppo easily, and the energy shield isn't (or shouldn't be) something unique to him.

edited 27th Jan '18 6:53:34 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#76353: Jan 27th 2018 at 6:52:44 PM

[up][up]Why?

edited 27th Jan '18 6:53:01 PM by randomness4

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#76354: Jan 27th 2018 at 6:55:45 PM

Yea, the 17 shilling is getting a bit ridiculous now

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#76355: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:00:51 PM

No wonder Ranger 17 is getting into Xenoverse 2.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76356: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:04:17 PM

The energy shield is just 17's signature technique. You can't just hand that sort of thing out to anyone.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
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#76357: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:05:10 PM

Ok, I'll admit I exaggerated the "brains" part. I just like that 17 is at least trying to find a weakness to Toppo. Is a small thing, but I like it.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76358: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:05:26 PM

No, it isn't. He only used it once, and he's not the only person to create an energy shield.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76359: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:06:18 PM

Vegeta only used the final flash once. Now it's his thing. That's just what Super does.

Let's be perfectly honest, what else in 17 gonna do that's his thing?

edited 27th Jan '18 7:06:50 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#76360: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:06:58 PM

Broly can do it too for one.

edited 27th Jan '18 7:07:08 PM by slimcoder

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#76361: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:07:36 PM

Wait, we were derailing the Bleach thread?

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76362: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:07:48 PM

Broly's not canon.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76363: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:09:06 PM

Everyone doesn't need a "thing" and that Super keeps having characters constantly do their "things" takes away from what makes them memorable.

Except against Jiren, none of the times Vegeta has used the Final Flash has been even remotely as cool as when he did it against Cell.

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#76364: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:09:52 PM

[up][up] And your point?

[up] Yeah his FF is weak now.

edited 27th Jan '18 7:10:30 PM by slimcoder

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#76365: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:11:38 PM

But Android 17 shield became his thing. Is his gimmick, like how Goku's the kamehameha, Krillin the Kienzan, Piccolo the Masankonsanpo. Is also an unique thing, as everyone has offensive things, 17 has the defensive thing.

Besides, Super and videogames made it their things, is sort of pointless to discuss about how they did the thing once and now it became the things now.

[up][up] True, but the shield is Boring, but Practical, and the show has been quite creative about it, while the Final Flash has only been creative once... in Fighter z.

edited 27th Jan '18 7:13:02 PM by Tomodachi

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76366: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:12:41 PM

Calling it unique to him doesn't actually make it unique to him, is what I'm getting at. It never has been.

I don't particularly care about the barrier specifically (I'd even say I like the creative uses), I hate Super's approach to these techniques in general. And going "well, it's not like your complaints matter" means nothing.

edited 27th Jan '18 7:15:22 PM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76367: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:13:16 PM

I honestly don't remember many other people doing it, TBH.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#76368: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:14:20 PM

It's a thing in DB for the repeated use of moves to be seen as less cool...

They're aren't signature, that's why people seem to find them cool...

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#76369: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:14:28 PM

I honestly don't remember many other people doing it, TBH.

Well that's why it's become 17's thing. Because his use was the most memorable.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76370: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:14:30 PM

Goku, Gohan, Cell, Babidi, Majin Buu, probably others.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76371: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:16:51 PM

Hmm, now that you say it Cell did do it once didn't he.

I suppose the big problem is that 17 basically has no other moves. He sort of defaults to it.

But... what's the big deal with him actually doing it though?

edited 27th Jan '18 7:17:35 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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#76372: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:17:24 PM

I've never had a problem with old moves being used again.

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#76373: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:17:46 PM

Broly and Sidra.

But 17 made it his thing, his gimmick, and made a cool use of it. Like how Burter made his deal being the fastest being in the universe... and Goku, Frieza, and Dyspo was faster than him.

edited 27th Jan '18 7:19:38 PM by Tomodachi

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76374: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:19:18 PM

I don't have a problem with old moves being used again, I just want them used well. Which Super often falls flat on, like with many things it does.

17 using the barrier has actually been one thing they've actually been fairly good about, but I still have certain complaints.

edited 27th Jan '18 7:20:00 PM by LSBK

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#76375: Jan 27th 2018 at 7:26:57 PM

125: THIS EPISODE IS GNARLY AND AMAZING. YOU KNOW HOW THIS WAS THE EPISODE I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO BECAUSE OF GOD OF DESTRUCTION TOPPO?! IT DELIVERED. IT DELIVERED SO GOOOOOOOD. When Toppo was Hakaing Freeza, I was having flashbacks to Frost getting erased and I totally thought that this would be the end of Freeza, and Zeno would be fine with it because it looked REALLY DAMN COOL.

I really liked 17 and Freeza teaming up to beat base Toppo, and I'm fine with 17 being as strong as he is, since it was previously established that he's around as strong as Blue Goku. Y'all just didn't want to take the episode at face value, for some reason. No idea how manga 17's going to handle himself against Toppo unless he's holding back a ton of power, especially since manga base Toppo is even stronger than anime base Toppo.

HAKAISHIN TOPPO BROKE THE ARENA INTO PIECES AND CHANGED THE COLOR OF THE WORLD OF VOID ALL BY HIMSELF AND IT'S AMAZING. Toppo just jumped way up my "favorite new characters in the Universal Survival Saga" list, just with sheer Rule of Cool. 17 needs help, guys, he shouldn't have to be trying to fight a god all by himself.

NEP: 17 gets help, in the form of Vegeta. Not the Vegeta/Toppo battle we were expecting, and this is even better. This is gonna be GOOD.


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