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#76276: Jan 26th 2018 at 11:39:54 AM

Good authors are always their own harshest critics.

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#76277: Jan 26th 2018 at 12:02:07 PM

Yeah, too bad he doesn't appear to care about trying to improve over that detail. He doesn't comment on the Cell saga, but it makes me guess he liked the fun tone of the Majin Buu saga more (As he had more control and could play more).

Toriyama is not Araki, that's for sure. At least Toriyama isn't Kishimoto.

edited 26th Jan '18 12:02:22 PM by Tomodachi

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#76278: Jan 26th 2018 at 12:13:35 PM

Toriyama doesn't really care anymore, huh?

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#76279: Jan 26th 2018 at 12:20:23 PM

He never did that much. That's why he wanted a succesor: to get rid of the work. He first waited for the GT writers, then he waited for the girl who worked on the Tarble special and SSJ Bardock special, and then Toyotaro came along.This is why in an interview, he invites Toyotaro to not rely on him, and to get his own ideas afloat.

Come to think of it, it sounds like Beerus telling the protagonists to not depend on him. Sounds like a meta commentary, but I could be wrong.

Honestly, this franchise is a lovable trainwreck, and always has been my Guilty Pleasure.

edited 26th Jan '18 12:21:49 PM by Tomodachi

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#76281: Jan 26th 2018 at 1:33:51 PM

Heh.

It's a amazing that such a lazy guy got so much success. Even he's aware of it.

But you know, if Toriyama is looking for some kind of successor, then maybe he feels that he himself is holding the franchise back (or at least the regard people have for him), and he feels that Dragonball can only move forward with someone new in charge.

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#76282: Jan 26th 2018 at 1:44:02 PM

I'm sure he'dd like to be retired at this point & I don't blame him.

He's given his all to the series years ago & only came back cause Evolution majorly fucked up.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#76283: Jan 26th 2018 at 1:51:52 PM

I like how he called himself out for constantly destroying the oni heads at the Tenkaichi Budokai because he didn't want to have to draw them, because in hindsight, those things got destroyed a LOT.

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#76284: Jan 26th 2018 at 1:58:55 PM

Even in the grown up years?

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76285: Jan 26th 2018 at 6:26:01 PM

You know I'm surprised he bashes his drawing skills since I find the very simple, clear battles and designs really easy to follow.

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#76286: Jan 26th 2018 at 9:31:34 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I would like to know if Cell was programmed to be evil like Android 19 or had free will like 17 and 18. 16 doesn't exactly count since he was retconned to have a kind heart

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#76287: Jan 26th 2018 at 11:33:22 PM

To be honest, cell seemed progressively less evil as he got more powerful, so I'd have to say that he was programmed with goals that caused him to do evil things. I don't know if all that programming was gon or not once he reached his super perfect form, but at that point, he'd probably be evil out of habit, so it probably wouldn't matter. Then again, I'm one of those people who really would have liked to see Cell get redeemed instead of buu, so I'm a little biased in that regard.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#76288: Jan 26th 2018 at 11:46:14 PM

"Fight me and oh yeah I'm going to kill the entire planet when I win because fuck you" does not strike me as less evil than just eating people.

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#76289: Jan 27th 2018 at 12:22:32 AM

[up]Well it does to me.

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#76290: Jan 27th 2018 at 12:31:14 AM

Well then...

edited 27th Jan '18 12:31:30 AM by SonOfSharknado

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#76291: Jan 27th 2018 at 12:31:31 AM

How? I'm not being sarcastic, I honestly want to know why you think that's less evil.

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#76292: Jan 27th 2018 at 12:40:09 AM

From a utilitarian perspective it's certainly a larger loss of life, if that's what we're quantifying here.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#76293: Jan 27th 2018 at 1:00:05 AM

"Less murderous" might be a better description. He wasn't actively pursuing individuals for the sake of adding their energy to his own nor was he getting. He decided to blow up Earth on a whim which...

...okay, I tried.

edited 27th Jan '18 1:00:37 AM by Soble

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#76294: Jan 27th 2018 at 1:50:46 AM

I suppose I could try to explain it... But there's alot of reasons why I see Perfect cell as less villainous than imperfect cell, and I can't really cover them all.

Most of it comes from the universe were dealing with, the Dragonball universe. Where our Designated Hero killed off plenty of people as a kid, and his rival has one of the Highest kill counts in the series, several of which were his own allies. On top of that, the dragon balls show that death in itself is really not that big of a deal. Now, what imperect cell does is different, because he doesn't just kill people, he DRINKS them. Not only does he kill them in a sadistic manner than makes him feel trully monsterous, the people he kills are put through tourure as their body slowy drains away. Even if they're wished back, that sort of stuff would likely stay with them forever. Meanwhile, Perfect Cell sets up the cell games, where he says he'll destroy the planet once he wins. Sure it's evil that he's toying with the populace like that, but there are two things that kindof make it less evil. First, it's the idea that he'll wait until he wins, which seems to imply in the (in his mind) small unlikely-hood that he loses, he'll leave the planet alone, sure that probably wouldn't happen, but the implications there. Second, if he destroys the planet, the deaths would be instant, and everyone would just move on to the afterlife or wait until someone wishes the planet back. And on top of all that, Cells threat to earth is alot less urgent sounding than what Vegeta planned to do with his galick gun. It also helps that Perfect Cell is more Affably Evil,making it easy to believe that he might spare the earth if he lost the cell games by ring out.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#76295: Jan 27th 2018 at 1:56:07 AM

Perfect Cell just has that charisma that just makes you want to get a beer with him.

Frieza is more visibly faux affably evil while Buu has no charisma at all.

Though as Fighter Z has shown Cell is a straight up dipshit, generally insulting every single member of the cast whenever he has the chance & clearly taking pleasure in being a troll.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#76296: Jan 27th 2018 at 2:23:21 AM

Cell murders less and less people as he gets closer to perfection...

So he can proceed to murder everyone all at once when he wins...

There's just something about this that screams "Cell is less evil"...

edited 27th Jan '18 2:25:42 AM by randomness4

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#76297: Jan 27th 2018 at 3:10:34 AM

He goes from mass murdering people on screen to threatening mass murder but not actually doing anything except kill Trunks in a blind shot.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#76298: Jan 27th 2018 at 3:14:43 AM

It's kinda hard to do anything when you're fighting somebody...

No DB villain just fires scatter shots to blindly hit someone or thing...

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#76299: Jan 27th 2018 at 4:04:53 AM

[up]What about buu's human extinction attack?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#76300: Jan 27th 2018 at 4:12:40 AM

He wasn't fighting when he did that...

He just did that to pass the time set...

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