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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#76251: Jan 25th 2018 at 9:38:06 PM

Oh, hey, has the pendulum swung the other way and now we hate Gohan? Good to know.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#76252: Jan 25th 2018 at 9:42:08 PM

I'm just saying what I've heard.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#76253: Jan 25th 2018 at 9:43:01 PM

What you heard is bullshit. Gohan's power ups are no more bullshit than Goku's.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#76254: Jan 25th 2018 at 9:51:13 PM

Yeah, let's forget the fact that all it did was catch raditz off guard

It crippled him enough that Goku, who previously wasn't even able to tag Raditz or damage him in any way, was able to restrain him with several broken bones.

Point being, Ultra Divine Water boosting Goku and Gohan having instant power-ups that let him beat up/surprise/stagger the villains are two different things.

I look at it this way.

  • Ultra Divine Water - it nearly kills Goku and even after surviving it, Goku's still near-death by the end of the fight.
  • Super Saiyan - Goku was nearly beaten to death and had to watch one of his few actual friends get murdered before he achieved it.
  • Super Saiyan 3 - Goku still can't seem to finish Buu and is worried about power usage. Later, it runs out and Goku is boned without it.
  • Super Saiyan God - it runs out.
  • Super Saiyan Blue - lolno.
  • Ultra Instinct - couldn't stop the J-train and it fizzled out after Khalifa was KO'd.

edited 25th Jan '18 9:57:08 PM by Soble

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#76255: Jan 25th 2018 at 9:53:42 PM

Hell, Vegeta septn all of Namek powering up by getting the shit kicked out of him and then not dying...until he actually did die.

Krillin powered up by getting a hand put on his head.

Again, Goku got the divine water.

There have been a lot of bullshit power ups throughout the series.

Oh, I almost forgot Piccolo becoming stronger than a Super Saiyan by fusing with Kami, despite both of them being far below that level before hand.

Toriyama was more than willing to hand out power ups to bridge the gap when the plot demanded it.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#76256: Jan 25th 2018 at 10:13:31 PM

Goku also gets a lot of instant power-ups from zenkais, overall Goku and Vegeta have received more 'free' power-ups than Gohan does.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#76257: Jan 25th 2018 at 10:30:49 PM

Conclusion: Gohan should not be getting crap for a free power up when his father has received just as many.

So this once again brings us back to the question of why Toriyama screwed him over. I admit, right now, him falling back into old habits (wanting to write Goku because that's what he's used to) seems like the most likely explanation.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76258: Jan 25th 2018 at 10:32:55 PM

I must admit I don't really care about Gohan getting shafted, such as he was, anymore. Still, acting like he's the only character to get a lot of "free power ups" is silly.

edited 25th Jan '18 10:34:12 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#76259: Jan 25th 2018 at 10:35:09 PM

I mean its been years.

Why still get riled up over it?

Just accept it & be done with it.

Though discussion is okay of course.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#76260: Jan 25th 2018 at 10:36:36 PM

I think Rob is the only one getting riled up and he gets riled up over everything.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#76261: Jan 25th 2018 at 10:49:52 PM

So, are the spoilers I posted a few pages back not even worth talking about, or what?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#76262: Jan 25th 2018 at 10:51:00 PM

Not really, there's not much to talk about anymore because we know what is going to play out at this point, especially given that the series is ending. Nothing left but to see how it plays out.

edited 25th Jan '18 10:51:17 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#76263: Jan 25th 2018 at 10:53:10 PM

I'm happy Toppo appears to not be taken out next episode after going all Hakai.

I like how he's entering the endgame.

edited 25th Jan '18 10:53:31 PM by slimcoder

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#76264: Jan 25th 2018 at 11:30:08 PM

I guess he's finally at the Toppo his game.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#76265: Jan 25th 2018 at 11:30:51 PM

Boo...

That pun makes Boo mad.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#76266: Jan 25th 2018 at 11:36:41 PM

I'm Jiren for Universe 11 to win this tournament. I hope that doesn't ruin your dysposition.

edited 26th Jan '18 7:25:23 AM by Soble

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#76267: Jan 25th 2018 at 11:43:17 PM

if the spoilers are true I find it weird 17 lasts longer than vegeta. unless geets stays in in 126

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#76268: Jan 26th 2018 at 12:04:18 AM

Android 17 wins and wishes for a nice boat. The other universes stay destroyed, but 17's family enjoy the boat for many years to come.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#76269: Jan 26th 2018 at 7:20:19 AM

Truly, a Happy Ending, just like the Future Trunks saga.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#76270: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:05:15 AM

I think Rob is the only one getting riled up and he gets riled up over everything.

Listen man! It's an important position. You're the Pope. I get riled. What would this thread be without me.

<Hears someone yell MUCH BETTER OFF>

I heard that.

Anyway, GOD Toppo is gonna be a sight to see. I wish these episodes happened in the morning so I could make a Toppo the morning joke, but you win some, and you lose some.

edited 26th Jan '18 8:05:48 AM by HandsomeRob

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#76271: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:17:24 AM

[up] You could say you live the life of rile-y.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#76273: Jan 26th 2018 at 9:22:40 AM

These episodes do happen in the morning, actually. You can totally make that pun, you just have to go to Japan first.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#76274: Jan 26th 2018 at 10:07:17 AM

Oh right. Forgot they changed the time from when Z aired.

...No. I think I gotta be classier than that.

At least until the next time I'm not.

One Strip! One Strip!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#76275: Jan 26th 2018 at 11:36:34 AM

New interview with Toriyama in Jump. He's way more critical of Dragon Ball than I thought he'd be.


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