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I'm not at all saying every plot would then end anti-climatically, just that plots would need to progress based on things other than the protagonist allowing them to happen, which can be like a million different ways. And then show how the pragmatism at least averts a much worse situation.
I'm not sure how that would be boring.
Maybe that's another issue for why Gohan wasn't a "good fit" then. Toriyama liked a main character who wouldn't do those things (all the time).
I get you mean that shouldn't happen all the time, although, actually, how often did Goku let people just power up completely when the world was at stake and the like?
edited 25th Jan '18 5:21:10 PM by LSBK
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Well, he has admitted to being a lazy bum...who can crank out a weeks worth of material in a few days, but still.
Agreed. [[quoteblock]]And that gets old. Especially if there's no end goal in mind with these flaws.
This too, as we know he has no intention of letting them grow out of these traits. Although Vegeta seems like he's far more pragmatic now than he used to be. I get the feeling he'd have killed Frieza before the fight escalated like it did if he'd gone first...which is exactly why Goku went first.
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, my post ended up going pretty well as a rebuttal to Arha's post.
Good work Arha. I knew you'd make the perfect sidekick for Handsome Rob.
From this day forward, you are moderately impressive Arha.
edited 25th Jan '18 5:51:04 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!If he wants to avoid having characters power up to create tension, why not just have characters start that powerful to begin with?
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Toriyama falling back on Goku does feel like he wasn't comfortable writing for another main character, so he just fell back on what he knows best.
He really doesn't seem to branch out a lot outside of what he knows, which sucks because it makes his writing incredibly stale after a while and probably contributes to why Goku feels so...yea. He still writes Goku as if he's still 12-15 years old at times rather than an adult.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Uh, mental age doesn't have anything to do with heroics.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.I think it was something about Gohan not really earning the protagonist role or something. Look at the Buu Arc where the reason he would have beaten Super Buu after years of slacking off (if not for the absorption thing) would have been sitting in place for a few hours and having someone just give him ultimate power.
That's really weird of a shortcut?
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.@ randomness4: Well, Frost isn't a Hero Antagonist and seems to be in it for himself, though you could argue part of him does want to protect Universe 6 while profiting from it. Ribrianne's crew is Ambiguously Evil though she could just be a Hero with an F in Good. We don't know the background of a lot of characters, so some of the fighters may be villains who want to save their own hides and/or think universal destruction is horrible.
Universe 11 however is the one team where everyone is a Hero Antagonist, by virtue of being part of a superhero team. There's a good chance that there are villains who would've been useful in the tournament, but they refused to believe villains would be help
I should've said "most", ya see? That fixes everything.
I wouldn't assume many of the fighters are good or evil, but in this context the fighters we don't know are just neither.
edited 25th Jan '18 8:52:55 PM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Drinking the Ultra Divine Water almost killed Goku. Even after drinking it he nearly lost to King Piccolo.
Gohan had a tantrum and beat up Raditz, had a tantrum and beat up Freeza, had a tantrum and beat up Cell, sat still for several hours, found out he was the strongest Saiyan alive, and beat up Majin Boo, who then had a tantrum and beat up Gohan.
edited 25th Jan '18 9:28:32 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!You know when Cell killed Future Trunks? I don't think it's ever explained why he hit him with a death beam instead of Gohan or Vegeta. I like to think that it's because he hates Trunks more than anyone except Gohan, since he killed the androids of his time period and forced him to rely on a time machine to absorb them. Absorbing the androids and becoming perfect was literally the meaning of life for him, Trunks would've ruined that for him if he didn't leave his time machine

edited 25th Jan '18 5:15:24 PM by Lionheart0