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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#76176: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:18:28 PM

[up]To be fair, Vegito and Gogeta are different fusions, due to the former being a superior Potara fusion. But still, yeah.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76177: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:20:02 PM

Toriyama only came up with Potara fusion in the first place because Fusion Reborn beat him to the punch with fusing Goku and Vegeta via the dance.

And they were never clear on why Potara is "superior" anyway. It's basically a difference without any real distinction.

edited 24th Jan '18 7:21:23 PM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76178: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:20:18 PM

Though Gogeta looks way cooler of the two.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#76179: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:27:53 PM

Ok so the movies arent that bad not great but not bad great

I don't know. Those earrings bring out Vegito's eyes.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#76180: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:50:00 PM

[up][up][up]It's better because rivals...

That's the only reason...and it was a fake reason.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#76181: Jan 24th 2018 at 8:43:10 PM

I honestly want to know why Toei decided to beat Toriyama to the punch with Fusion (and to a lesser extent Super Saiyan). You'd think they'd want to wait for him to do it so they could get a better idea of what it's supposed to look like.

Did he give them an estimate for when it was going to happen and then he took longer than they expected or something?

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#76182: Jan 24th 2018 at 8:47:29 PM

[up] I mean, they probably didn't know that Toriyama was planning to have the two fuse. Since the movies are basically reskinned versions of the arcs, they probably went with having the Saiyan fusion go fight against Janemba just like Gotenks did against Buu.

Toriyama only came up with Potara fusion in the first place because Fusion Reborn beat him to the punch with fusing Goku and Vegeta via the dance.

And they were never clear on why Potara is "superior" anyway. It's basically a difference without any real distinction.

The rather arbitrary way they defused after they got absorbed by Buu kind of shows that. tongue

edited 24th Jan '18 8:49:09 PM by Lionheart0

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#76183: Jan 24th 2018 at 9:26:44 PM

Recently on a Reddit AMA, Schemmel made a hardline stance that his accented Rose!Black voicenote  is here to stay for the foreseeable future.

His headcanon reasoning is that, while his Black voice is just "mean Goku", his Rose!Black voice complements Zamasu's VA's performance by having "Zamasu's power/spirit channeling through Black more".

He's also working off limited data (again?), hence his interpretation.


In other news, the Super Saiyan Showdown between Schemmel and Sabat is tomorrow! [lol]

edited 24th Jan '18 9:42:12 PM by XMenMutant22

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#76184: Jan 24th 2018 at 9:35:06 PM

Eeesh, he should have never posted his opinion on Reddit of all places.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#76185: Jan 24th 2018 at 9:39:46 PM

I'm still reserving judgement to see what direction they go with Base!Zamasu's voice. Sean said later down the thread chain that the direction he was given was to match Zamasu's VA, so if his VA voicing with a similar inflection I at least get it. tongue

I will say, I did find some reactions on another forum kind of hilarious. People going on about how now people are going to hit the arc because of the voice direction and I'm sitting back thinking "you're basically admitting that the only good thing about Goku Black arc was Nozawa's voice acting then, right?"

edited 24th Jan '18 9:42:05 PM by Lionheart0

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#76186: Jan 24th 2018 at 9:50:18 PM

To be fair, that's not exactly a bad opinion to have...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#76187: Jan 24th 2018 at 9:52:19 PM

I can buy his reasoning for the voice. Zamasu is clearly influenced by Goku in his body so there's sense in that when going Rose he's becoming more Zamasu instead of Goku.

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#76188: Jan 24th 2018 at 9:53:17 PM

Dr Wheelo is such an original villain that canon ripped off him. Dr Gero is a brain in a robot body with an old grudge, desire for conquest/destruction, and creates artificial beings.

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#76189: Jan 25th 2018 at 12:19:22 PM

Partial title for episode 127. Of note is that the word used is 'baria', which isn't used for metaphysical barriers. It applies almost exclusively to literal force fields. Looks like 17 is going out here. Honestly, he lasted WAY longer than I thought he would. I thought 17 would go out in Episode 121, against Anilaza.

Spoilers for episode 126. Freeza and 17 team up on Toppo and lose. Toppo and Jiren TEAM UP ON VEGETA?!?!

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76190: Jan 25th 2018 at 12:40:54 PM

I get that Toriyama went back on making Gohan the main character because he decided that Goku was better for the role, but has he ever mentioned why he decided that?

Personally, I don't think you'd even need to cut Goku completely out of the series either like other people wanted, just change things up so that Gohan or Gohan and the boys beat Buu instead. I mean, if at some point he was going for a "we can't always rely on Goku" story, it would have been nice to see that all the way through.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#76191: Jan 25th 2018 at 12:50:37 PM

Well, either Goku's out of the story or Goku loses a fight to a guy he never eventually beats; it would require Goku to worf, essentially. I'm not sure Toriyama knew how to write Goku being the second fiddle, and I'm not sure I would either.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76192: Jan 25th 2018 at 12:52:21 PM

I mean, though it's obviously not the exact same timeframe and setting, that's been the situation with Beerus for awhile now. And even past that the Angels.

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#76193: Jan 25th 2018 at 12:53:10 PM

Eh, true, but Beerus doesn't do any serious fighting.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#76194: Jan 25th 2018 at 1:33:19 PM

I get that Toriyama went back on making Gohan the main character because he decided that Goku was better for the role, but has he ever mentioned why he decided that?

I think the most Toriyama ever went into it is he eventually came to the conclusion that Gohan wasn't a "good fit" as a lead.

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#76195: Jan 25th 2018 at 1:54:06 PM

which is crazy talk coconsidering gohan was the protag for the best part of DBZ, the great saiyaman arc

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#76196: Jan 25th 2018 at 1:55:55 PM

I guess Toriyama was unsatisfied with the Saiyaman gags for some reason.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#76197: Jan 25th 2018 at 1:57:54 PM

If they replaced all instances of Gohan in the Buu arc with the Great Saiyaman, it would be perfect.

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Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#76198: Jan 25th 2018 at 1:58:13 PM

I think I remember hearing that he doesn’t want to have Hard Work Hardly Works. Goku spent all of his time training to get better, while Gohan was able to cruise along on his potential for the most part.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#76199: Jan 25th 2018 at 2:01:36 PM

I mean, Goku's a lot like that too, actually.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#76200: Jan 25th 2018 at 2:03:41 PM

Yeah, Toriyama definitely gives no shits about hard work hardly works.

I think maybe he just couldn't think of a way to change up his writing to suit a new protag who should behave differently from Goku.


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