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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#76051: Jan 22nd 2018 at 7:38:57 AM

[up]A pair of violently angry teenagers? Seems pretty normal to me.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#76052: Jan 22nd 2018 at 7:50:40 AM

They explained that. He needed to be one of the weaker models, he couldn't control the stronger ones (not even if he made one his own body, apparently, he is a brain piloting the thing). It's weird that you call him dumb for not having a way to control the stronger models when this inability was his greatest struggle and one that he was always trying to work towards.

How would he not be able to control an infinite energy model if he himself was in one? Is he gonna rebel against himself?

I mean, considering his track record, I could see it happening anyway but still...

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#76053: Jan 22nd 2018 at 8:11:05 AM

Why didn't Gero make himself as strong as 16?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#76054: Jan 22nd 2018 at 8:12:12 AM

That's also a good question.

The answer is, because Toriyama didn't think of it.

Well ok, the real answer is because he kept changing his story due to the influence of an old editor. This is why you plan things out.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#76055: Jan 22nd 2018 at 8:19:50 AM

Why didn't Gero gather the Dragonballs and use them himself, whether to kill Goku, or solve any software problems he had with the android?

Wasn't the Red Ribbon Army's entire mission to gather the Dragonballs? I don't think any of the leaders we met were ignorant of what the balls could supposedly do. Gero had years where Goku and his friends weren't actively fighting anyone or searching for the balls.

Pilaf of all people managed to locate a Dragonball so he must have had obscene luck or a radar of some kind, so it's hard to believe Gero, whose technology was so advanced even Bulma couldn't quite figure it out, couldn't do the same and build his own radar.

edited 22nd Jan '18 8:22:55 AM by Soble

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#76056: Jan 22nd 2018 at 8:20:53 AM

...Cell saga really was a logistics mess wasn't it?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#76057: Jan 22nd 2018 at 8:43:12 AM

Pilaf located all the Dragon Balls. He made a wish during the three year training period, which is why they're children now.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#76058: Jan 22nd 2018 at 10:16:25 AM

That's still two years he could've gathered and used them, though. tongue

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#76059: Jan 22nd 2018 at 12:03:15 PM

To say nothing of the fact that it's Pilaf.

How do you not just kick his ass and take them from him?

There is another possibility:

Gero was monitoring them at all times right? Maybe that bug he was using heard about the rule that the dragon can't do dick to someone more powerful than it's creator.

I admit, it's iffy, but it's still possible...

No. Who am I kidding? Toriyama just didn't think of it.

edited 22nd Jan '18 12:03:27 PM by HandsomeRob

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#76060: Jan 22nd 2018 at 12:09:42 PM

Toriyama doesn't think of a lot of things doesn't he? He makes things up as he goes but it is not always a bad thing.

"Mai waifu."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#76061: Jan 22nd 2018 at 12:19:55 PM

There's no shonen mangaka who didn't have to do that at one point or another.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#76062: Jan 22nd 2018 at 12:22:48 PM

I blame the weekly schedule. Drawing manga is a pretty time-intensive process, and doesn't leave much time for writing the story and sanding off the edges.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#76063: Jan 22nd 2018 at 12:23:09 PM

[up] But Toriyama is among the most notorious but then again considering the environment.

"Mai waifu."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#76064: Jan 22nd 2018 at 12:24:45 PM

Heck, even when you keep up you have editors standing over your shoulder giving you orders. "Stretch this out" "more of this character, less of that" "better cut this arc short".

edited 22nd Jan '18 12:25:13 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#76065: Jan 22nd 2018 at 12:38:28 PM

So Gohan in the Super manga wears Piccolo's outfit for the Tournament of Power. Talk about going back to your roots, son.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#76066: Jan 22nd 2018 at 12:39:20 PM

What's incredible is that despite all that the series still maintained a general high & entertaining quality with it only losing steam right in the final arc.

Even then I'd take the shit that happens in the Buu Saga over the shit that happened in say Naruto's final arc which encountered similar problems.

[up] Oh crap he is?

edited 22nd Jan '18 12:39:47 PM by slimcoder

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#76067: Jan 22nd 2018 at 12:40:45 PM

The thing is, Naruto's final arc was way, way too stretched out, but I think the actual actual end was superior to how DB ended. Like, it felt like Kishimoto had been planning for that actual end to happen for a while but then either got a mandate to stretch the war arc out or just totally underestimated how much of an undertaking it would be.

[up][up] YES YES YES, the Piccolo outfit is way better for Gohan than the turtle Gi.

edited 22nd Jan '18 12:43:17 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#76068: Jan 22nd 2018 at 12:53:48 PM

Unless it's the one from the Boo Saga, not really...

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#76069: Jan 22nd 2018 at 12:57:09 PM

16 - 18 aren't in Gero's position of being a brain in a robot.

I don't see why 17 would say "you made yourself an energy absorption model because you cant control the infinite type" if Gero would have no problems putting his brain in the infinite type.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#76070: Jan 22nd 2018 at 1:05:57 PM

That's circumstantial and can be ignored at any point to prolong discussion.

But there must be something really specific about power in DB that even a manually controlled robot can lose control from having too much power.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#76071: Jan 22nd 2018 at 1:20:36 PM

The real question imo is why he gave himself an old man body.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#76072: Jan 22nd 2018 at 1:23:00 PM

He's not vain.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#76073: Jan 22nd 2018 at 1:23:56 PM

I assumed that was his original body augmented with android parts over time.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#76074: Jan 22nd 2018 at 1:24:22 PM

I really wonder what would've happened if Toriyama had stuck to his original guns of keeping Gero the Big Bad for the entire Android Saga. Rather difficult to think about given how iconic the Cell Saga became, particularly Cell himself, 18, and Gohan achieving Super Saiyan 2.

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#76075: Jan 22nd 2018 at 1:39:40 PM

I mean, writers do their best work when their editors force them to think bigger than their own ideas

That said the segment of the Buu saga where the Great Saiyaman is introduced is the best part of all of Dragon Ball

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