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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75751: Jan 20th 2018 at 11:07:52 AM

I rather miss Goku's End of Z/GT outfit.

Hope he gets that back.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75752: Jan 20th 2018 at 11:08:33 AM

I'm still suspecting they're going to retcon End of Z in some way, at least so that some of the little details are no longer the same due to Super's new influence.

Depending on how Super "ends," I could see them starting again just before End Of Z and changing its circumstances a bit.

edited 20th Jan '18 11:10:17 AM by KnownUnknown

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#75753: Jan 20th 2018 at 11:13:07 AM

We're gonna get another GT

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#75754: Jan 20th 2018 at 11:13:57 AM

[up]

Tweaks perhaps, but I don't see an outright retcon. For example, we might see more Whis and Beerus watching the Budokai with the rest of the gang in the bleachers, etc, or changing Goku's reason for training Uub rather than it being for a good fight.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#75755: Jan 20th 2018 at 11:22:34 AM

Toriyama did change one thing for the ending in regards to Vegeta.

"Mai waifu."
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#75756: Jan 20th 2018 at 11:34:56 AM

Honestly, if they did that, there might be more consistency. I kinda wish they'd done one first and had the other follow instead of just screwing around and letting both sides do their own thing.

I'm... oddly numb to all of this.

Like, yeah, the anime is ending and that's one less thing for me to watch. But, I had my good times with it, and plenty of bad ones. It wasn't like watching Z and DB every afternoon after school, goodness no, but it was a nice little thirty minutes sliced out of a boring, political week.

I knew this anime wasn't going very far - the 10-year gap between Buu and the End of Z. I don't know what else I could have expected beyond an epic final battle. I'm not getting any hint of catharsis here, or longing. If the manga continues, so be it. It'll be a little disappointing without Kaioken Bleeeu, the Yamcha baseball filler, and probably Kefla - but the manga works just as well, if not even a little better on its own.

I'm just curious to see how they explain Super Saiyan God being a thing, or if they'll just end it lazily with the events of the tournament and not try to fill in the gap between this and Goku meeting Uub.

edited 20th Jan '18 11:36:48 AM by Soble

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Xeino Since: Jul, 2017
#75757: Jan 20th 2018 at 11:36:41 AM

I still think that Tournament of Power has been legitimately great and that the Goku Black/Zamasu arc was a fun ride even if it did shoot itself in the foot at the very last minute. Ask for the rest of the series... well, it left more of an impression than GT ever did. So I think the journey of a new Dragon Ball series was worth it in the end.

edited 20th Jan '18 11:39:00 AM by Xeino

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#75758: Jan 20th 2018 at 11:39:21 AM

The only thing I held against Super was that everyone jumped to go, "Ha hah, this is canon now because Toriyama's writing it, therefore GT isn't canon! Hahahahahah!" And I like GT somewhat, so, that triggered the heck out of me.

And, "Wow, Goku Black is so amazing, he's an evil Goku, that's so fresh and interesting, so much better than Turles!"

I warmed up to Goku Black after he tore a hole in reality, and the constant derision of Super overrode the initial hooting and hollering for it being "more canonical" than GT.

It's weird how that happened. Everyone went from hyped for Super to "ugh, the animation is horrid," and it's like it never really recovered. There's probably 10 videos on Youtube right now that start with, "Dragonball Super sucks." I think I even saw a "GT is better than Super!" video once.

edited 20th Jan '18 11:42:10 AM by Soble

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#75759: Jan 20th 2018 at 11:41:16 AM

The whole point of Super was to bridge the gap between the Buu Saga and the End of Z. If the final episode of Super doesn't do that, then that should confirm... something.

On more weird news, Frieza and Cell voice Popuko and Pipimi this week.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#75760: Jan 20th 2018 at 11:51:34 AM

Suffice to say, Super has been polarizing on the internet but it was good ride while it lasted. I really wish Super wasn't constrained by the Z ending but considering how lax Toriyama/Toei is about the canon, I guess that was not going to happen. Super also caused to reevaluate what I liked about Z seeing how it was aimed at Japanese fans of the original manga/anime, not the Funimation/Ocean dubbed people and the rest of the world. The characters are dumber than usual, the fights lack any kind of substance, the animation is garbage, etc. Super is not Z despite its best effort to use nostalgia from Dragon Ball.

"Mai waifu."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#75761: Jan 20th 2018 at 11:58:16 AM

Super definitely had a rocky start, I even gave up on it early on. It won me back and I stayed for good. The animation nowadays is better than it has ever been in the Dragon Ball tv shows by a wide margin, the writing is pretty good, the plots are original and engaging, and the fights range from decent to fantastic.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75762: Jan 20th 2018 at 1:52:02 PM

to quote a man with the same name as me:

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#75763: Jan 20th 2018 at 3:11:08 PM

Was there anything you liked about Super or did you just think it was a stain on the franchise.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#75764: Jan 20th 2018 at 3:25:54 PM

So there's maybe about 11 episodes left then.

edited 20th Jan '18 3:26:10 PM by Lionheart0

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#75765: Jan 20th 2018 at 3:41:02 PM

[up][up] Almost 100 percent the latter, I'm gonna take a shot in the dark.

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#75766: Jan 20th 2018 at 4:14:24 PM

Super has done a lot more than some people give it credit for.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75767: Jan 20th 2018 at 4:28:58 PM

..... Hmmh okay it gave us two good transformations & a couple decent characters & fights in an over 100 episode run.

edited 20th Jan '18 4:30:18 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#75768: Jan 20th 2018 at 4:36:26 PM

It also greatly revitalized interest in the franchise. Yeah it has problems and lot of people here complain all the time but Super has been very popular overall.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75769: Jan 20th 2018 at 4:39:58 PM

That goes without saying. It wouldn't be getting over a hundred episodes if it wasn't successful.

Though I think Battle of Gods is what revitalized the franchise. Gods success lead to Resurrection F & Resurrection F's success lead to Super & Super's success lead to the upcoming Saiyan movie.

Which all goes back to how Evolution's failure was such a disaster & stain on the franchise Toriyama came back to the franchise to do damage control.

edited 20th Jan '18 4:42:24 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#75770: Jan 20th 2018 at 5:00:59 PM

Things I've liked from Super:

  • Universe 6 (Hit is legit my favorite of all the new characters introduced in Super)
  • The Slice of Life Episodes
  • Goku Black
  • A lot of the fights from this recent TOP arc.
  • 17 being back.
  • Ultra Instinct

My big issue with Super as a whole is it's just serviceable. Not necessarily hateable but it kept making a lot of mistakes that it never fully course-corrected from.

Some of the contentious things some people dislike like the U6 Saiyan Girls and 17's massive power boost, I ended up liking myself.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#75771: Jan 20th 2018 at 5:03:15 PM

The biggest disappointment about Super is that, for the most part, it never really feels like it's trying to do anything new. Just rahashing the things the audience knows and hopes it doesn't notice.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#75772: Jan 20th 2018 at 5:05:14 PM

[up][up] and [up] I pretty much agree with. I think the big mistake was not just keeping the stakes really small and never really changing the status quo.

edited 20th Jan '18 5:05:40 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75773: Jan 20th 2018 at 5:06:08 PM

To quote the immortal line of Immorton Joe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fbry0X7OmM

"Mediocre."

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#75774: Jan 20th 2018 at 5:20:25 PM

I agree with the above posts, I also really hate the characterization of Goku in Super. I know now that Goku was selfish and dumb but as Saiga stated along time ago Goku was a good guy even if he isn't a superhero. Goku had these qualities but they exaggerated them and "poisoned" his character into someone who pretty is just a selfish person all around. Goku had always been selfish but he wasn't so selfish that he didn't care about everyone he cares about. It is almost as if they took Abridged!Goku and made him into the main cahracter of Super

"Mai waifu."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#75775: Jan 20th 2018 at 5:50:51 PM

Hey, even Abridged Goku isn't that bad.


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