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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#75626: Jan 17th 2018 at 10:15:50 AM

Given how the manga is, I would've be surprised if Kafla is dealt with in one chapter, though, if even that. I'm expecting it to have the opposite problem the anime has: pacing the Tournament of Power out way too fast. Half the events that got whole episodes of focus are either going to be background fights or skimmed over while even the important fights are going to go by disappointingly fast.

The Tournament of Power has gone on for 27 episodes so far, and it looks like it'll end around 35, but I'll be surprised if it lasts even 15 chapters in the manga.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#75627: Jan 17th 2018 at 10:26:13 AM

Thank you Manga for skipping all of those pointless recruitment filler arcs.

Though I kind of liked the Gohan vs. Goku one.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#75628: Jan 17th 2018 at 10:32:47 AM

The Gohan vs Goku fight is still probably going to happen, considering how last chapter placed focus on Piccolo training Gohan back into shape.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#75630: Jan 17th 2018 at 10:37:12 AM

I do have to wonder now about just how much of Goku's heroism and selflessness in both the manga and the Z anime boiled down to the editors clamping down HARD on Toriyama's urges to make Goku and irresponsible doof. Didn't he go through at least 3 editors throughout the Dragonball manga's lifetime? If so, then Super is what happens when Toriyama doesn't have Editorial Fiat reigning him in.

Actually, we've already seen Toriyama without editors reigning him in.

Buu Saga, where he was given far more free reign.

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#75631: Jan 17th 2018 at 10:46:10 AM

I think Super is less Toriyama at free reign and more Toriyama not writing DB for a decade then suddenly starting again, plus it being primarily written by Toei or his pupil or whatever rather then himself.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#75632: Jan 17th 2018 at 10:46:15 AM

[up][up][up]Whatever people might say, Super has some excellent music.

edited 17th Jan '18 10:46:29 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#75633: Jan 17th 2018 at 4:24:36 PM

It is kind of funny how much the Android/Cell arc was the result of Executive Meddling on the part of Toriyama's editors.

Androids 19 and 20 were rejected for being impossible to take seriously as a threat, new villains please. Then 16, 17, and 18 were rejected for being "a bunch of kids", so new villains AGAIN please. Then Cell's second form was rejected for being ugly, and Toriyama was told to hurry up and make him perfect already.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#75634: Jan 17th 2018 at 4:27:10 PM

[up]To be fair.....what his editors were saying were true.

Android 19 and 20 looked like clowns, 17/18 just bratty teenagers, and 2nd Form Cell looks stupid.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#75635: Jan 17th 2018 at 4:29:45 PM

But isn't that kinda Toriyama's thing?

Making his villains look very unconventional and all that?

Maybe if he'd insisted on more than two, there could have been room for multiple villains of varying looks.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#75636: Jan 17th 2018 at 4:33:35 PM

[up]I didn't say it was bad Executive Meddling. Sometimes that trope does result in improvements.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#75637: Jan 17th 2018 at 5:55:51 PM

Summary of the latest DBS chapter for anyone who doesn't want to wait for the rest of the leaks.

Things of note:

Everything is streamlined; no recruitment arcs. Everyone shows up, with their reasoning said in passing. Roshi wants the "money" to renovate Kame house, Goku convinces Tien offscreen, Piccolo and Gohan have their training session offscreen (and no reference at all to Gohan "wanting an even more ultimate form", or being the team captain or planning of any kind), and Goku and Freeza still fight but it's also offscreen and no assassination subplot. Agreement is the same however.

I very much prefer it this way, everything gets to the point without wasting our time. Though it does make some motivations weaker, but it's for the best given what happens in the tournament.

Caulifa gets SSJ offscreen as well after a brief fight with Cabba, no back-tingling. And Kale doesn't go SSJ either, so no Broly shout out, but they do note she has the potential for it considering she manages to outspeed Cabba as a SSJ without him noticing

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#75638: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:00:24 PM

Wow, that just sounds... so fucking bland.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#75639: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:02:22 PM

[up]Well I can't really blame the manga for rushing though all the different subplots given how far behind the anime it is already.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#75640: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:03:24 PM

I think the only thing the manga's done that I like better than the anime is its handling of Jiren. Everything else is either worse or just as bad.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75641: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:04:16 PM

I mean really who the fuck is only reading the manga? Might as well skip to the good parts.

Though this version of Kale seems less frail.

edited 17th Jan '18 6:04:45 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#75642: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:06:32 PM

I will say I actually prefer the way Kale is handled here actually;

Keeping her Berserker form under wraps makes for the better surprise when she ends up unleashing it on Goku.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#75643: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:11:35 PM

I honestly hated how the Anime's recruitment arcs, so nixing them was the best thing the manga could have done.

I'm guessing Kale will unlock her mastered SSJ form against the Pride Troopers. I'm assuming Toyo is just nixing the Broly reference completely, which is good because it served no purpose.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#75644: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:12:45 PM

Forget about Fighter Z, that game's for scrubs.

Play Dragon Ball Kart 64.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#75645: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:17:33 PM

I feel kinda bad for Hyper DBZ. It was a great-looking fanmade game and now Fighter Z just blasted it into irrelevance.

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#75646: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:28:05 PM

[up]x3: Toyotaro's been referred to as a "Broly fanboy", mostly due to the Draco in Leather Pants-like version of him in his Dragon Ball: AF adaptation. Almost joking to the point where, much like Toriyama directly designed Caulifla, some people think that Toyotaro may have designed Kale.

[up]True, but at the same time, both games feel different enough to stand on their own feet. Hyper just released Gotenks, and he plays much differently compared to Fighter Z (his Wolf Fang Volleyball Fist requires way more player input to bunt the opponent around).

If you wanted to be cynical, one's free while the other isn't.

edited 17th Jan '18 6:30:12 PM by XMenMutant22

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#75647: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:36:29 PM

I prefer skipping the "recruitment" bits as well. They never amounted to anything in such a way that they had to be shown.

Kale and Caulifa sound better handled as well.

edited 17th Jan '18 6:39:01 PM by VeryMelon

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75648: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:38:09 PM

I mean isn't the manga supplementary to the anime anyway?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#75649: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:39:16 PM

It's whatever you want it to be.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#75650: Jan 17th 2018 at 6:39:27 PM

They're separate but equal.

This song needs more love.

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