Chi-Chi just has the massive bad luck to not be Genre Savvy in a very, very whacky series.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"I hope that, when I'm a parent, no matter how much I might value my child's education, I can recognize that if them skipping school for a week could prevent the destruction of the universe, I would let them skip school.
My various fanfics.Power levels have always not made much sense beyond being as Strong as They Need to Be . In the Saiyan arc for example, Goku and Piccolo in spite of training non-stop for seven years can barely beat Raditz yet in just a year, all the human Z warriors can beat Saibamen that were on the same level as him.
edited 15th Jan '18 5:01:18 PM by Xeino
100% Freeza, Vegeta vs 18, Vegeta vs Perfect Cell (Cell wore him out first), Goku vs 19, Goku vs Cell, Gotenks vs Boo, Boo vs Boo
- 100% Freeza - was weaker than SSJ Goku in the manga. It was only an even fight for a while in the anime
- Vegeta V 18 - 18 had the upper hand throughout that entire fight, and IIRC she breaks Vegeta's arm while he's in SSJ form
- Vegeta V Perfect Cell - This isn't attrition, this is "Vegeta has no way to kill Perfect Cell". Cell didn't even need to wear him out, Perfect Cell was outright stronger than him and basically sat down and let him charge up the Final Flash
- Goku V 19 - this isn't attrition, this is "Goku has a heart attack"
- Goku vs Cell - ...eh... maybe.
- Other two - Until the final spirit bomb no one really had the weaponry to actually flat out kill Buu at all so a lot of those fights were just pissing in the wind anyway.
You'll notice that in a lot of these situations (thanks to Cell and Buu) the villains just aren't affected by attrition at all since they can't die unless they're all blown up at once.
This is what I mean; unlike Vegeta who had to be worn down immensely before his defeat, the villains haven't really been worn down; they're just pottering around waiting for the final blast that will finally kill them.
Now, as you've said, Kid Buu was a bit different since he was significantly less powerful than Buuhan, but after that defusion, it's just Goku and Vegeta throwing shit at him until they decide to use the Spirit Bomb to bring an end to it all, so it's more that there was another cycle following the defusion.
edited 15th Jan '18 5:07:47 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"@Moth That is not the stance she takes
You've made the mistake of assuming that if a stronger character wins, then that is the reason they won.
Freeza's running out of energy was in the manga and why they reached the point where he couldn't even harm Goku. He wasn't originally so weak that he had no chance of harming him.
Ditto for 18 vs Vegeta. She may be stronger, but attrition is still the deciding factor in her fight. He had lost a lot of power before she broke his arm.
Perfect Cell was noted to be wearing him out. We know he had enough before to destroy him, but he didn't need it.
Goku is not 'eh'. He outright lost so much energy he couldn't defend himself against a Cell Junior. Cell had also lost a significant amount of energy himself and had to be allowed to recover to fight Gohan.
Now you're just discounting the Boo fight. If it wasn't for attrition, Fat Boo could just stall him forever until they completed the Genki Dama.
I'm not saying it was the deciding factor in all those fights, but it was always present. It didn't go away, and the amount it mattered didn't suddenly change because it was already very rare for that to matter BEFORE the Vegeta fight
edited 15th Jan '18 5:10:08 PM by Saiga
It's been repeatedly said that Zeno is top of hierarchy (not including Tori-Bot). What proof is there that Super Shenron can over rule?
No, comic books are proof of that.
I don't take it seriously to begin with, but these are the same people who won't shut up about Goku's shitty parenting.
Also, Gotenks absolutely had the means to kill Boo and nearly did before his time ran out, they just didn't know how good his regeneration was the first time and Piccolo immediately realizes the solution.
Cell absolutely CAN be worn down, that's why he needed a senzu. Boo has been proven that he can be worn down with constant pressure, and Piccolo also noticed it in his fight with Gotenks.
Because "Super Shenron" has been explicitly said to be able to grant any wish with no limit, and this isn't the kind of series that's just going to "Okay, all those universes are just gone forever now, let's just move on and never bring it up again." Even with Trunks and Mai they got a "happy" ending, with a near identical timeline or some such nonsense.
edited 15th Jan '18 5:17:56 PM by LSBK
Not really. He's happy and, more importantly, removed from the story. Destroying Future!Trunk's timeline was pointless since they just gave him a replacement one, but they at least did something about it.
Everything that's happening in this tournament isn't going to just quietly be swept away, and even has personal implications for some of the characters.
edited 15th Jan '18 5:32:02 PM by LSBK
If Universe 11 loses I'll be a bit miffed because Goku really needs a solid win, especially with how much hype UI got.
What I really want to happen is an 'Attack on Red Ribbon Army'-esque saga, but this time with Goku and the Angels.
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae

Yeah, Abridged can try all they want, but Chi-Chi isn't any less stupid than Piccolo isn't Gohan's dad.
My various fanfics.