TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Dragon Ball

Go To

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#75476: Jan 15th 2018 at 4:50:30 PM

Yeah, Abridged can try all they want, but Chi-Chi isn't any less stupid than Piccolo isn't Gohan's dad.

My various fanfics.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#75477: Jan 15th 2018 at 4:51:26 PM

Chi-Chi just has the massive bad luck to not be Genre Savvy in a very, very whacky series.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75478: Jan 15th 2018 at 4:52:13 PM

No, she's just straight up a moron. Edited my earlier post to talk about attrittion btw

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#75479: Jan 15th 2018 at 4:56:23 PM

I hope that, when I'm a parent, no matter how much I might value my child's education, I can recognize that if them skipping school for a week could prevent the destruction of the universe, I would let them skip school.

My various fanfics.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#75480: Jan 15th 2018 at 4:58:20 PM

"Children shouldn't fight to the death, leave that to the adults" is not an unreasonable stance to take.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#75481: Jan 15th 2018 at 4:59:30 PM

2018 and people still take Chi Chi seriously. It's like nobody just filtered her out as background noise like I did.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Xeino Since: Jul, 2017
#75482: Jan 15th 2018 at 4:59:42 PM

Power levels have always not made much sense beyond being as Strong as They Need to Be . In the Saiyan arc for example, Goku and Piccolo in spite of training non-stop for seven years can barely beat Raditz yet in just a year, all the human Z warriors can beat Saibamen that were on the same level as him.

edited 15th Jan '18 5:01:18 PM by Xeino

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#75483: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:00:49 PM

Some should explain to Chi Chi that there are no schools on blown up planets.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#75484: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:01:09 PM

[up][up][up]At this point I feel as if both Goku and her were supposed to be seen as shitty parents. obviously getting that across to people is difficult for different reasons.

edited 15th Jan '18 5:01:54 PM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#75485: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:02:15 PM

100% Freeza, Vegeta vs 18, Vegeta vs Perfect Cell (Cell wore him out first), Goku vs 19, Goku vs Cell, Gotenks vs Boo, Boo vs Boo

  1. 100% Freeza - was weaker than SSJ Goku in the manga. It was only an even fight for a while in the anime
  2. Vegeta V 18 - 18 had the upper hand throughout that entire fight, and IIRC she breaks Vegeta's arm while he's in SSJ form
  3. Vegeta V Perfect Cell - This isn't attrition, this is "Vegeta has no way to kill Perfect Cell". Cell didn't even need to wear him out, Perfect Cell was outright stronger than him and basically sat down and let him charge up the Final Flash
  4. Goku V 19 - this isn't attrition, this is "Goku has a heart attack"
  5. Goku vs Cell - ...eh... maybe.
  6. Other two - Until the final spirit bomb no one really had the weaponry to actually flat out kill Buu at all so a lot of those fights were just pissing in the wind anyway.

You'll notice that in a lot of these situations (thanks to Cell and Buu) the villains just aren't affected by attrition at all since they can't die unless they're all blown up at once.

This is what I mean; unlike Vegeta who had to be worn down immensely before his defeat, the villains haven't really been worn down; they're just pottering around waiting for the final blast that will finally kill them.

Now, as you've said, Kid Buu was a bit different since he was significantly less powerful than Buuhan, but after that defusion, it's just Goku and Vegeta throwing shit at him until they decide to use the Spirit Bomb to bring an end to it all, so it's more that there was another cycle following the defusion.

edited 15th Jan '18 5:07:47 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75486: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:02:48 PM

@Moth That is not the stance she takes

[up] You've made the mistake of assuming that if a stronger character wins, then that is the reason they won.

Freeza's running out of energy was in the manga and why they reached the point where he couldn't even harm Goku. He wasn't originally so weak that he had no chance of harming him.

Ditto for 18 vs Vegeta. She may be stronger, but attrition is still the deciding factor in her fight. He had lost a lot of power before she broke his arm.

Perfect Cell was noted to be wearing him out. We know he had enough before to destroy him, but he didn't need it.

Goku is not 'eh'. He outright lost so much energy he couldn't defend himself against a Cell Junior. Cell had also lost a significant amount of energy himself and had to be allowed to recover to fight Gohan.

Now you're just discounting the Boo fight. If it wasn't for attrition, Fat Boo could just stall him forever until they completed the Genki Dama.

I'm not saying it was the deciding factor in all those fights, but it was always present. It didn't go away, and the amount it mattered didn't suddenly change because it was already very rare for that to matter BEFORE the Vegeta fight

edited 15th Jan '18 5:10:08 PM by Saiga

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#75487: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:08:03 PM

The only one who has even talked about that is Vegeta. The cast isn't assuming that, but the audience by and large are because why wouldn't we?

It's been repeatedly said that Zeno is top of hierarchy (not including Tori-Bot). What proof is there that Super Shenron can over rule?

God is it sad when the Abridged a parody series makes more sense than the actual canon material.

No, comic books are proof of that.

2018 and people still take Chi Chi seriously. It's like nobody just filtered her out as background noise like I did.

I don't take it seriously to begin with, but these are the same people who won't shut up about Goku's shitty parenting.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75488: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:12:50 PM

Also, Gotenks absolutely had the means to kill Boo and nearly did before his time ran out, they just didn't know how good his regeneration was the first time and Piccolo immediately realizes the solution.

Cell absolutely CAN be worn down, that's why he needed a senzu. Boo has been proven that he can be worn down with constant pressure, and Piccolo also noticed it in his fight with Gotenks.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#75489: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:14:40 PM

Wasn't Gotenks like one kamehameha away from killing Buu?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75490: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:15:13 PM

Indeed he was.

That's when he ran outta time.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#75491: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:16:43 PM

It's been repeatedly said that Zeno is top of hierarchy (not including Tori-Bot). What proof is there that Super Shenron can over rule?

Because "Super Shenron" has been explicitly said to be able to grant any wish with no limit, and this isn't the kind of series that's just going to "Okay, all those universes are just gone forever now, let's just move on and never bring it up again." Even with Trunks and Mai they got a "happy" ending, with a near identical timeline or some such nonsense.

edited 15th Jan '18 5:17:56 PM by LSBK

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#75492: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:28:39 PM

By that logic F-Trunks can get back his original timeline instead of the new one.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#75493: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:31:24 PM

Not really. He's happy and, more importantly, removed from the story. Destroying Future!Trunk's timeline was pointless since they just gave him a replacement one, but they at least did something about it.

Everything that's happening in this tournament isn't going to just quietly be swept away, and even has personal implications for some of the characters.

edited 15th Jan '18 5:32:02 PM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#75494: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:32:20 PM

[up] I don't think they're going to sweep this under the rug but neither would I put it past them.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75495: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:33:52 PM

We better get ready for it cause we are at the endgame & its coming.

Might even make or break this arc, maybe.

edited 15th Jan '18 5:34:13 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#75496: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:36:35 PM

They absolutely will bring everyone back. That's why the Super Dragon Balls are a prize. Even if U7 loses, U11 will wish back all of the universes.

If everyone wasn't brought back, I'd be beyond shocked...

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75497: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:38:37 PM

And it wouldnt necessarily be a good thing

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#75498: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:41:44 PM

If Universe 11 loses I'll be a bit miffed because Goku really needs a solid win, especially with how much hype UI got.

What I really want to happen is an 'Attack on Red Ribbon Army'-esque saga, but this time with Goku and the Angels.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75499: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:44:01 PM

[up] Now thats a conundrum.

I want Jiren to win cause he appears genuinely noble well manga-wise at least but UI does need a win too.

[up][up] Well all know its coming, the question is "how"?

edited 15th Jan '18 5:44:31 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#75500: Jan 15th 2018 at 5:44:03 PM

Here's an idea, what if the Angels are the next antagonists, but they aren't evil?

Also, Ultra Instinct had an awesome win against Kafla.

edited 15th Jan '18 5:45:03 PM by PushoverMediaCritic


Total posts: 130,800
Top