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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#75101: Jan 10th 2018 at 4:14:52 PM

[up][up] Then why do you have him as your avatar? tongue

edited 10th Jan '18 4:15:07 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#75102: Jan 10th 2018 at 4:15:34 PM

How Goku held hands to get SSG? How does that not make sense? That's what I was talking about from the start. That's exactly what he did.

EDIT: Fair enough.

[up]

Because he's cool. I like the "buff Grey" design too.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a shit antagonist. lol

edited 10th Jan '18 4:17:33 PM by hardcorefakes

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#75103: Jan 10th 2018 at 4:19:41 PM

I was curious if you were a Jiren fan like Silmcoder was.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75104: Jan 10th 2018 at 4:21:20 PM

The inherent simplicity of the Grey look combined with the use of primary colors & hyper-musculature that we haven't seen in a while makes for a surprisingly memorable design.

Shame the anime went overboard on making him mysterious.

[up] I still am so I'm certanly not "was". Just a fan of his manga persona now.

edited 10th Jan '18 4:23:09 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#75105: Jan 10th 2018 at 4:23:37 PM

Yup. I can look past how I feel about him and point out his obvious flaws....mainly that he might as well be a talking chunk of cement...if they would develop his character, that would be fantastic.

[down] He has a personality in the manga, with clear convictions and goals, so that's a start.

edited 10th Jan '18 4:26:23 PM by hardcorefakes

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75106: Jan 10th 2018 at 4:24:53 PM

[up] On that regard I say Toyotaro don't let me down, please (fingers crossed).

edited 10th Jan '18 4:25:39 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#75107: Jan 10th 2018 at 5:23:09 PM

I guess Manga! Jiren is true Jiren for everyone here. Not complaining.

Btw, has anyone noticed that most of the Pride Troopers sans Jiren look like straight up villains? Is that really a subversion or is a hint of them being really being evil? (Because I swear to God, if Toei goes with that route, I'm leaving this series)

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#75108: Jan 10th 2018 at 5:25:32 PM

I don't read the manga, and only fairly recently actually started watching the anime so I don't really have a preference either way.

I will say that Jiren barely feels like an antagonist, though. Manga-wise that'll probably be because he's explicitly a good person who doesn't want to be responsible for anyone's erasure, but anime-wise he just feels too reactive. It doesn't seem like he instigates any conflicts he's in.

edited 10th Jan '18 5:40:30 PM by LSBK

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#75109: Jan 10th 2018 at 5:38:05 PM

I sorta interpreted Anime! Jiren as that, too, to be honest.

When you look at him, he simply avoids conflict and scares anyone who dares to fight him. The only time he starts to fight back was with Kale (Who was dangerous and took out Vuon) and Maji Kayo (Who threatened to cut off Dyspo ears). I am, however, puzzled by why he didn't help out his pals when Caulifla and Kale took them out or Hit was taking Kunshii out. Guess this is the part where the interpretation faills flat, but maybe only took down the first two because they were really dangerous.

He was observing Hit fighting, though. I simply wonder what his deal with those eyes.

edited 10th Jan '18 5:39:19 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75110: Jan 10th 2018 at 5:44:55 PM

The issue I think is that they are so intent on keeping Jiren mysterious till his final battle with Goku that they forgot to provide an organic reasoning for his well not doing anything.

Its the same thing they did with Hit only raised to 11 & ill-fitting to the current conflict. One Hit could not fight until it was his turn so he had a reason to stay quite while Jiren is in a situation where he kinda has to do stuff & two the Champa arc was short so we only had to deal with Hit's silence for a couple episodes while where reaching like over 20 episodes with Jiren & we still don't know shit about him.

They keep expecting us to be invested while not providing anything to actually be invested in.

edited 10th Jan '18 5:45:32 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#75111: Jan 10th 2018 at 5:46:11 PM

It's not even that Jiren's motives are mysterious, it's also that he barely does anything. Like, he's beaten up the odd person or two but only when they've attacked him.

There are other villains in DB with loads and loads of buildup but that buildup was what made them interesting.

edited 10th Jan '18 5:47:02 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75112: Jan 10th 2018 at 5:52:22 PM

That leads into how they are not adding any steak for us to want the sizzle.

Cause at this point in the franchise being strong is a given.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#75113: Jan 10th 2018 at 6:32:35 PM

Is that really a subversion or is a hint of them being really being evil?

I don't think the Pride Troopers are secretly evil. We literally saw them rescuing a cat from a high place on screen. Can't get any more goody-goody than that.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#75114: Jan 10th 2018 at 6:37:50 PM

[up] Though I did think Toppo going "No more playing the good guys" should a bit of lack of selfawareness. Like, I don't they're evil but the Pride Troopers definitely haven't been acting like the faces in this Tournament either.

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#75115: Jan 10th 2018 at 6:43:48 PM

Happy Hit day!

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#75116: Jan 10th 2018 at 6:53:58 PM

Hit Day?

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#75117: Jan 10th 2018 at 7:03:42 PM

[up] It's a number-based word pun based of Japanese pronunciation, similar to "go" (5) "ku" (9) Day (making May 9th "Goku Day"). In this case, "hitotsu" (1) and "tō"(10) making January 10th's Hit (or Hitto) Day.

edited 10th Jan '18 7:04:40 PM by XMenMutant22

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#75118: Jan 10th 2018 at 7:23:24 PM

New Heroes commercial shows off gameplay of Gogeta and King Vegeta's new forms:

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#75119: Jan 10th 2018 at 7:27:07 PM

We've done it. We've found an edgier look than Goku Black.

This song needs more love.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#75120: Jan 10th 2018 at 7:28:06 PM

It wasn't that edgy looking...besides his eyes changing.

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#75121: Jan 10th 2018 at 7:28:20 PM

With how many forms and powers that main series dragon ball has, I'm glad that side materials really go all out and get crazy with it.

I just wish that they'd bother putting this amount of effort of new forms and what if plots into Xenoverse

Could you imagine a full-length cinamatic dragon ball game full of all these absurd forms all clashing with each other and your character is just stuck in the middle of all this- also getting the power ups you see? It would be wild.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#75122: Jan 10th 2018 at 7:31:57 PM

What's the difference with SS 4 Gogeta, besides pants?

My various fanfics.
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#75123: Jan 10th 2018 at 7:35:26 PM

[up][up][up]It's not just that. Black armor, red cape, black and red eyes, black and red hair, a goatee, dude is literally Shadow the Hedgehog. The only thing he needs is to be Super Saiyan 4 and have black and red fur and I truly wouldn't know how to make him edgier.

edited 10th Jan '18 7:36:59 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#75124: Jan 10th 2018 at 7:38:15 PM

[up][up]His vest is yellow instead of orange, blue wristbands instead of black, and his fur seems to be a darker shade of brown, almost purple-looking. Also, his special attack is the Atomic Kamehameha.

edited 10th Jan '18 7:38:32 PM by Rinsankajugin

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