Are we really going to start this again? Let's not start this again. I was just complaining about Gine, I didn't want it to snowball like it did and it looks like it's about to again.
edited 15th Jun '14 5:57:57 AM by BaffleBlend
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — UltimatepheerAs surprised as I am that it's not already recorded, I can't pretend not to be excited.
On another note, I've heard someone describe bog as "Toriyama writing fanfiction of his own work"... er... wha?
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
The context was a "is bog canon" argument.
I take it Battle of the Gods is pretty...Skippable, then, canon status be damned? I'm following the DB Manga, but I wanna know; which films fit pretty well into the canon and/or are ridiculously kickass?
Unrelated: I want to just go all nostalgic on y'all, with a cute little anecdote; as a kid, they aired the original Dragon Ball on my local anime channel. I freaking loved it, but when I found out that there was a sequel series where Goku wasn't only and adult, but also had a super powerful transformation, my little mind was freaking blown. I remember wanting with every inch of my blood to check out this "Dragon Ball Z" show, since it looked even kick-asslier than the original Dragon Ball.
edited 18th Jun '14 4:08:29 AM by mrsunshinesprinkles
"Curry killed the pussy hoping that I could kill the hate in you" - Curry, D. "TABOO | TA13OO." TA13OO, PH, 2018![]()
- Bardock: The Father of Goku takes place before Dragon Ball and is one of the most beloved specials.
- Dead Zone takes place shortly before Raditz. Fits if you ignore Krillin being surprised about Gohan.
- History of Trunks takes place shortly before the android saga, but I suggest watching it right before Cooler to avoid spoilers. My personal favorite special.
- Cooler's Revenge takes place during the three years training for the androids.
- Broly, Super Android 13, and Return of Cooler take place during the ten days before the Cell Games.
- Bojack takes place immediately after Cell.
- Wrath of the Dragon and Battle of Gods take place before the final three episodes.
Fusion Reborn doesn't fit in canon, but it's still a must-see. Watch it during the late Buu saga.
Great, my forehead's bleeding now. Do you know what a lack of self-consistency makes? A bad work.
edited 18th Jun '14 6:05:34 AM by BaffleBlend
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer![]()
On the one hand, he makes good points. On the other hand, he still comes across as a self-righteous cunt.
Broly / Super Android 13 / Meta Cooler definitely don't take place in any of those timeframes. Especially not Super Android 13, that makes no sense. They're just out of continuity like most of the movies.
He makes some good points and some bad ones. Well, the only real good point was that you can't excuse sexism by saying it's part of the lore.
edited 18th Jun '14 6:07:43 AM by Saiga
Also, you might want to try some Greek or Norse myth some time.
Did Aphrodite come from Zeus banging a Titan? Or from some dude's testicle landing in the ocean? Did she come out of a giant clam?
edited 18th Jun '14 6:07:39 AM by unnoun
![]()
I don't see how they don't fit in that timeslot.
Different genres. Not applicable. And Greek/norse myths were pretty ridiculous in that regard, so I'm not defending them.
edited 18th Jun '14 6:08:25 AM by BaffleBlend
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — UltimatepheerGreek Mythology is pretty terrible though.
Because no part of it matches the timeline? Super Android 13 fits in the 10 day Cell game gap the same way Lord Slug or One Piece does: it doesn't.
edited 18th Jun '14 6:08:48 AM by Saiga
Nah, I'm with Baffle on this one. Yeah, Looney Toons is great, but each cartoon is self-contained. The only things that need to stay consistent are that Bugs is the best, Daffy's a loser, Elmer Fudd is mentally disabled, and God hates Coyotes.
But when you're attempting to make a larger work or a world, you need to make rules and have them stick. When you become part of a larger work, even if you're making a new title within that work, you don't get to say "Fuck it all, this is MY show now", you still have to acknowledge that which was set before you.
My various fanfics.![]()
That's the point when I watch them, anyway. That's where they make the most sense to me.
edited 18th Jun '14 6:11:26 AM by BaffleBlend
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — UltimatepheerThe author wishes to explore and create, and in the age of oral tales was free to do so—no one particularly expected that the tales of Renard the Fox must be consistent with one another or complained, "Hey, when he seduced Leda, Zeus was a swan, how come he's a golden shower now?" After all, if the story of Leda can change with every telling, why expect it to still be the same when you hear a completely different story?
Oral tales are living, growing, changing things. By contrast, a written or filmed tale is dead, nailed to the page or screen, unable to change or grow, fixed permanently as it was in a single telling. The audience is permitted to change and grow, so that their perspective on the tale can alter with time, but the actual creator of the tale is denied that. Even when it comes to crafting a sequel, audiences—"geek" or "cult" audiences notoriously so—demand continuity, which is to say they demand fealty to the tyrannical reign of dead stories. It is a wonder that more creators don't rebel!
Here you are, bringing Greek myths into the equation again...
We support "the tyrannical reign of dead stories" because they're entertaining. Variance has the risk of ruining elements, making characters unlikable, or worse, piling on a big fat helping of Deus ex Machina which NO reader wants to hear.
edited 18th Jun '14 6:15:15 AM by BaffleBlend
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
And usually following the wishes of the author in a derivative work are the best way to make said derivative work free of mary sues and deuses and things that just make the average reader do a Flat "What".
edited 18th Jun '14 6:17:49 AM by BaffleBlend
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
x5 Nobody is a full power Super Saiyan, Trunks has his sword, Trunks has short hair, Trunks has his old clothes, Gohan hasn't been into the room, there's no Grade II or III, everything is at the same state it was before the arc started with the exception of Vegeta using Super Saiyan in front of people. Same thing for Cooler (except no Trunks). For Broli, it'd almost fit except that nobody saw Gohan fight in series and he's not so strong here, Vegeta and Trunks are still using Grade II, Goku/Gohan aren't full power Super Saiyans and everyday life is continuing with no mention of Cell.
x6 Agreed entirely.
edited 18th Jun '14 6:18:04 AM by Saiga
Then it's an addition to the source. Which is why people get so irritated when there's canon inconsistency — both contradictory elements can't make a complete story.
The thing about canon is, it's more like one very long work rather than separate works. They're not self-contained like different episodes of Looney Tunes or different greek myths.
edited 18th Jun '14 6:25:54 AM by BaffleBlend
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer

Go back to the 80s.
It's a fact.
Yeah,
it's a valid "excuse". The author is writing about a male-dominated sport aimed at a largely male audience. He has no reason to be writing GRRRRL PWR, and never pretended that there would be super strong women that fight along with the guys. Women are almost always introduced in this story as supporting supporting characters.
edited 15th Jun '14 5:58:17 AM by Cruherrx
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."