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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59051: Jun 18th 2017 at 3:43:06 PM

The speech at the Cell Games is the only real thing that comes to mind for me, and even that's tainted by the fact that 1) Gohan being unwilling to fight came out of nowhere, and 2) Piccolo was wrong about what Gohan was actually feeling.

Besides, that Piccolo really spends no prolonged period of time with Gohan where Goku wasn't either also there, or was gone due to circumstances out of his control. And most of the time where Goku is gone, Piccolo is usually off by himself, because that's what Piccolo does.

edited 18th Jun '17 3:45:16 PM by LSBK

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#59052: Jun 18th 2017 at 3:43:48 PM

Reading the comments for TFS' tweet is what's really annoying. It's amazing how far people will go to justify their ignorance in the face of facts.

But really, TFS being ignorant in regards to basically everything other than the basics of Dragon Ball is nothing even remotely new. The only ones who actually seem to know what they're talking about half the time are Kaiser and Masako.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#59053: Jun 18th 2017 at 3:45:48 PM

Like I like the joke but still I mean Goku is not an abysmal father.

Its sad how everyone forgot that before Z started Goku seemed to be handling the family life pretty good. Providing for his family & being an all-round caring dad to Gohan. Now its just he wants to spend all his time training & training.

Hell Z started because he entered in a battle to the death to rescue his own damn son in the first place. DBZ started because Goku does care for his spawn.

edited 18th Jun '17 3:47:22 PM by slimcoder

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59054: Jun 18th 2017 at 3:46:34 PM

I don't look at things I know will raise my blood pressure.

A lot of it seems to be people equating things they should. Goku being a bad father, doesn't somehow mean that Piccolo is more of a father figure to Gohan. Just like it doesn't mean that Vegeta is a good father, just because he's arguably a better one than Goku. But that seems to be the logic most of the time.

I don't really have much to say about whether Goku is a good father or not (more not, but that's typical anime/manga parent stuff) but I will argue that Vegeta's actually not better than him in the area.

edited 18th Jun '17 3:49:48 PM by LSBK

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#59055: Jun 18th 2017 at 3:49:17 PM

It was never funny to begin with, because it was founded on misinformation. I always see people cite the same fucking scene, Piccolo chewing out Goku in the Cell saga, as "evidence" and somehow that spun off into this spiral of ignorance.

And when you try to call people out on it, they're just like "Lol, it's just a joke bro" "Lol, you're so butthurt" "Lol, you must be fun at parties" And are only vindicated when people continuously refuse to actually read the material.

Fuck this "joke" and everyone who perpetuates it.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59056: Jun 18th 2017 at 3:50:53 PM

To be honest, I think Goku has always been a good dad for Gohan. Its just that he had the misfortune of being dead for extended periods of time and new threats kept popping up frequently.

Even during the Androids Arc, where I think a lot of issues began (him staying on Yardrat for a year), he spends a great deal of time with Gohan.

Now Goten, on the other hand...

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#59057: Jun 18th 2017 at 3:53:26 PM

While we're at it, same with people who think Chi-Chi is a bad mother. Given what she's up against, she deserves a freaking medal.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#59058: Jun 18th 2017 at 3:54:22 PM

I'll argue she's a bad or annoying person though.

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#59059: Jun 18th 2017 at 3:55:10 PM

Super has shown Goku being with Goten a lot, so, he does care about his second son too.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#59060: Jun 18th 2017 at 3:57:19 PM

As well him going berserk when he found out Black murdered his family with his own body.

edited 18th Jun '17 3:57:43 PM by slimcoder

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#59061: Jun 18th 2017 at 3:59:02 PM

Super has helped in that regard, I'll admit. The fact Goku and Goten barely interact in the Buu Arc and he lets him and Goten get blown up by Buu is probably something that stuck with people. And if it hasn't, I imagine TFS will play that up a lot when they get there.

I think Dragon Ball benefits more from having periods of down time to let Goku interact with his family without needing to train for the next big baddie.

It's just that somewhere along the line, Goku wanting to train obsessively became his primary character trait and people seem to latch onto that.

edited 18th Jun '17 4:00:44 PM by Hobgoblin

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#59062: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:00:58 PM

Don't you know? None of that doesn't count. Goku is the worst dad ever.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59063: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:02:44 PM

It's weird how people give Goku shit for that, but Vegeta didn't even try to save any of them, bitched at Goku for it, and no one ever calls him on in.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#59064: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:03:49 PM

I can't even comprehend Goku voluntarily spending time with his family like go to an amusement park or beach simply cause he genuinely wants to at this point.

If Goku is doing anything for his family I automatically think "Oh Chi-Chi forced him to do this."

Isn't it messed up that I'm thinking this?

edited 18th Jun '17 4:05:05 PM by slimcoder

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#59065: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:04:45 PM

Probably.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59066: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:08:51 PM

I can totally imagine Goku doing things like that. Goku seems to be capable of actually enjoying being around them.

People act like Vegeta's better for spending time with his family, but those time are noted as outliers. Most of the time he's just by himself, training in a gravity chamber or whatever, and when they do go on family outings, he usually doesn't actively participate and engage with them.

Vegeta treats spending time with his family like a chore he's obliged to occasionally do, never hides how little he actually cares, and leaves when he gets really frustrated. And these are supposed to be endearing moments. For all intents and purposes he seems about as absent as Goku is.

edited 18th Jun '17 4:10:38 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#59067: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:11:58 PM

Which is weird cause I think the opposite of Vegeta.

Ironic that Gohan's problems lie in that he seems to be spending too much time with his family. There's something humorous about that, heh. tongue

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#59068: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:14:32 PM

The fact that Vegeta is considered a better father is even more ludicrous. People literally cherry pick the small moments when he actually shows empathy, but completely ignore the fact that he did not give an iota of shit about his family at all at first.

This is just the fandom taking specific moments and blowing them as usual and it's aggravating to say the least that people seem to genuinely believe this shit.

[up] Why do you think the opposite? What has Goku done to ever give an impression that he doesn't want to spend time with his family, or at least anymore so than Vegeta. I'm genuinely curious.

edited 18th Jun '17 4:15:27 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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#59069: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:15:48 PM

Veggie doesn't like doing those humanity things...he's still just a grump.

He forces himself to go, but that's the best that comes of it.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59070: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:16:39 PM

And on the "It's just a joke" part, while for some people that may be true, TFS has made it clear that they are very serious about all of it, so I see no reason to not call them out on it. Especially since, for better or (much) worse, people treat them like an authoritative voice on the series.

edited 18th Jun '17 4:19:07 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#59071: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:17:47 PM

[up][up][up] I don't know I just do.

Its fucking weird I can only naturally imagine Goku just obsessively training & Veggie voluntarily spending time with his family. I have to force myself to imagine things better for Goku, its fucked up how my perceptions changed.

[up] Wait so they actually believe that Goku is a shitty dad? Its not just a joke to them?

edited 18th Jun '17 4:18:28 PM by slimcoder

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#59072: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:19:05 PM

Goku isn't a bad father but when you consider how most people in the US watched the Funimation dub.......Goku is not a bad father and Piccolo is more of a mentor figure than father to Gohan.

edited 18th Jun '17 4:19:28 PM by GAP

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59073: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:19:57 PM

[up][up]Yes, they are very serious about that. I don't know if they're as serious about the Piccolo stuff, but I wouldn't be surprised.

And really, that's fine. My issue is less with people thinking Goku is a bad father or husband, and more them being off on why he's not at his best in these roles.

edited 18th Jun '17 4:25:06 PM by LSBK

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#59074: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:20:17 PM

It's like people are under the impression that not spending every waking moment with your family somehow makes you a terrible spouse. And that being an asshole with mostly having a few token good moments

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#59075: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:21:35 PM

I mostly like the reactions these jokes generate now.


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