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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53451: Mar 3rd 2017 at 10:03:21 AM

So I just watch Gohan vs. Lavender. Pretty cool, if these fights are going to be an indication of what we're getting int the tournament then I'm excited.

Nice development for Gohan and a good father-son moment(s).

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#53452: Mar 3rd 2017 at 11:50:59 PM

In the movie, Beerus is not a villain, he's an antagonist. He's not a hero, yeah, but he would have just toddled right back home after enjoying himself at Bulma's party if Boo hadn't been an ass. Yeah, Beerus overreacted but he's a cat, what do you expect?

He's an incredibly powerful being who arrives on Earth demanding something the protagonists can't produce, and who remains dangerously volatile in the face of their efforts to assuage him anyway before deciding to kill everyone for the sake of his vindictive impulses.

To put it in perspective, those are near the same things Raditz did - except Beerus is considerably more dangerous and his whims more petty. That the protagonists set him off doesn't change the fact that, at that point in time, he's a being with explicit malevolent intentions willing to destroy whatever he wants, whenever he wants - and blaming Buu ignores the fact that Beerus acted the way he did out of selfishness as well. Until Character Development set in, he was a Noble Demon at best. Many villains are set off by the protagonists doing something nasty to them - but their role is still one of villainy.

Nowadays he's actually this close to settling into a Big Good role, which is really fun.

edited 3rd Mar '17 11:52:39 PM by KnownUnknown

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#53453: Mar 3rd 2017 at 11:58:13 PM

I don't know, a "villain" by definition has to be evil (even if Necessarily Evil or a Well-Intentioned Extremist), and Beerus is closer to a True Neutral force of nature. Not that he isn't petty and selfish as all get out, but he isn't evil.

Many point to his habit of blowing up planets for the slightest of reasons to be evil actions, but when he's a God of Destruction whose entire purpose for existence is to blow up planets as a necessary part of keeping the universe in balance... it's hard to ascribe that as being "evil", but more him just doing his job. Hell, Whis at times gets on his case for sleeping too much and not blowing up more planets!

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#53454: Mar 4th 2017 at 1:20:22 AM

IIRC, it's mentioned in the movie and definitely in Super that Beerus goes above and beyond the call of his job, and his tendency to destroy for petty reasons and selfish whims is implied to not be the way he's supposed to carry things out.

In any case, that's why I pointed out that Beerus is neutral in general, but a villain in the plot that introduces him (and why I compared him to Xanatos, who was the same way). In relation to the heroes, his actions in BoG are petty, vindictive and cruel: he is unique among DBZ villains in having sincerely noble traits and being reasonable and straightforward in presenting himself, but for the purposes of the narrative he is still forcing evil upon the protagonists for unjustified reasons and is thus still the villain of that plot.

Soon after that plot is over, that element of his character is (mostly) dropped to focus on his more neutral (and ultimately more positive) traits. Him honestly dropping all malice towards Earth once he gets what he wants helps, but that still makes him more of a non-traditional villain than not a villain at all. Kind of a Heel-Meh Turn.

edited 4th Mar '17 1:31:16 AM by KnownUnknown

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#53455: Mar 4th 2017 at 1:43:19 AM

Considering the amount of lifeless rocks, not destroying those instead makes you kind of a douche.

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edited 4th Mar '17 1:45:56 AM by alekos23

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#53456: Mar 4th 2017 at 4:34:35 AM

When you think about it, in most other manga and anime, Beerus would be an irredeemable villain who, at absolute best, has some traits that make him not a Complete Monster but, again, in most manga he'd remain a villain and thought of as evil by the cast.

But this is Dragon Ball, so Beerus, a selfish asshat, actually fits perfectly well with the good guys, and I like that about Dragon Ball, because it's so unrepentant about most of the cast being composed of selfish asshats. As in people who put hats on their asses. Because they're so dumb.

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#53457: Mar 4th 2017 at 4:48:35 AM

Edit: On a more serious note, Dragon ball is a story about a strong guy who wants to fight stronger guys so that he can become the strongest guy. Said strong guy's heroics are usually accidents that usually end up working for the better and he ends getting friends and rivals who help him on his on way to getting even stronger.

edited 4th Mar '17 5:26:04 AM by GAP

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#53458: Mar 4th 2017 at 6:05:48 AM

[up][up]Actually, I think Beerus would work perfectly well in One Punch Man. Saitama is considered far too powerful by Earth standards, and having a God of Destruction to battle with allows Saitama to finally go all out. Could lead to Beerus himself realizing he needs to be a better person after matching blows with a mortal who is so ridiculously overpowered for unknown reasons. Essentially reverse of the usual Dragon Ball formula.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#53459: Mar 4th 2017 at 6:16:03 AM

I don't think Beerus would live long enough to appreciate the lesson.Ask Boros.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#53460: Mar 4th 2017 at 6:39:11 AM

Saitama might actually spare Beerus' life on the basis that Beerus is pretty much just doing his job and can actually be reasoned with. Most of the stuff Saitama kills can't be reasoned with for one reason or another. Saitama himself can be reasoned with, at least enough to recognize that Beerus is literally just doing his job.

[up]Au contraire, ask Garou, who did live to learn the lesson.

edited 4th Mar '17 6:39:37 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#53461: Mar 4th 2017 at 7:55:57 AM

There's also a few Western shows that Beerus might fit in with:

  • Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Shows that not everyone spooky and scary is Always Chaotic Evil, and becomes a good friend once he's convinced not to nuke the Earth.

  • Supernatural: Same as above, though more on a cosmic scale, and somewhat defangs Beerus by more clearly showing he's not the top dog.

  • Futurama: Already has aliens and possibly God in its mythos, so Beerus is a good fit anyway.

  • Star Vs The Forces Of Evil: Already shows that even the good guys are capable of being dicks, as shown through Star herself and two of the magic council.

  • Any television shows based on the DCU from the 90s on: Refresh take on the whole "planet destroying entity", as Beerus would be the first who can not only be reasoned with but is actually a pretty cool guy to hang with when he's off the clock.

  • MCU: Same as above.
  • Doctor Who: The Doctor, in all incarnations, has a grudge against Beerus, mostly due to the latter being kinda terrible at his job for being really petty and excessive, but the companions always find Beerus a blast to hang out with, kinda like a happy, affectionate cat that is taking meds for chronic rabies......

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#53462: Mar 4th 2017 at 8:15:46 AM

I wouldn't say Beerus would be a "Complete Monster", but rather a Token Evil Mate. He'd be that overpowered character who never gets involved with the heroes, even though he could solve the entire plot himself.

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#53463: Mar 4th 2017 at 8:30:00 AM

I still hope Goku and Vegeta managed to surpass Beerus at the end of Super.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#53464: Mar 4th 2017 at 8:30:57 AM

No, that's closer to his role in Dragon Ball, whereas in most anime, him destroying planets and ending races because he felt like it at the time would paint him as an irredeemable monster.

There are some anime where that wouldn't be the case, obviously, but exceptions exist.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#53465: Mar 4th 2017 at 8:33:02 AM

Huh I think the Marvel heroes would treat him in a similar way they treat Galactus.

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#53466: Mar 4th 2017 at 8:35:28 AM

The let's just hope he goes away before everyone dies way, you mean?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#53467: Mar 4th 2017 at 8:38:13 AM

Yeah if they can't destroy him then they would redirect him away from Earth.

Not sure who'd be willing to befriend him though. Captain Marvel would go ballistic or something while Steve prolly tried to reason with him.

They'd all well as keep him away from Deadpool though, heheh. tongue

edited 4th Mar '17 8:38:31 AM by slimcoder

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#53468: Mar 4th 2017 at 8:41:27 AM

Tony Stark would try to befriend him. I mean, his name is Beer and his attendant's name is Whiskey, surely they'd get along swimmingly. Swimming in Vodka.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#53469: Mar 4th 2017 at 8:52:05 AM

Actually yeah that might work & he could be there Bulma, using his mass wealth to give Beerus a constant stream of food to placate him.

I think you would have to list the heroes who'd be willing to begrudgingly accept Beerus in a "its his job & he's too powerful so what's the point" way & the ones who would defy him against all reason based on morality as in a "No he's still killing mass amounts of people his job be damned, we have to stop him" way.

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#53470: Mar 4th 2017 at 9:04:44 AM

Peter Parker would also likely get along with him - if only because he's smart enough to know pissing him off is an extremely poor idea.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#53471: Mar 4th 2017 at 9:09:18 AM

Peter's spider sense would probably be permanently on around Beerus.

Like to the point of it giving him a headache I'd bet.

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#53472: Mar 4th 2017 at 9:14:18 AM

Nah, after all, Beerus is a cat, not some psycho lunatic who's at a hair trigger temper every moment of the day.

He's insanely lazy, 's what I'm saying.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#53473: Mar 4th 2017 at 9:17:56 AM

Well then you would have to figure who would genuinely appreciate his company in spite of his job & very serious threats.

I can see the heroes take one for the team as in forcing themselves to accompany him to prevent pissing him off.

But aside from possibly Tony who would go "Wow I really like this guy, barring what his job is, he is really cool." in regards to him?

edited 4th Mar '17 9:18:13 AM by slimcoder

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#53474: Mar 4th 2017 at 9:23:30 AM

Well, other than Spidey, it's a bit of a short list. Spidey's good at getting along with people even though his life is a spiral of shame and misery.

Thing is, other than the whole 'blowing up planets because before creation comes destruction' thing that he has going on, Beerus is... not that bad to hang out with, and as soon as someone gets him to promise not to destroy Earth (possibly so long as he gets good food), it's likely that they'll start seeing him as "that guy who could blow up the planet with a flick of his wrist, but won't", and that's not so different from Mr. "I can kill almost anyone in the planet with a single swing of my hammer" Thor.

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#53475: Mar 4th 2017 at 9:57:17 AM

I mean, Spidey befriends the Hulk in most continuities. Beerus is far more easier to get along with than him.

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