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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#53401: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:02:27 PM

The difference of effort the put in fighting him in both timelines...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#53402: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:05:08 PM

I just realized.

The reasons for the Androids being stronger in the past is because the universe hates Trunks.

It was so obvious. Argument done. I win.

edited 2nd Mar '17 4:05:21 PM by HandsomeRob

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#53403: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:12:52 PM

The point of Future Trunks being wrong means more to his characterization than any attempt to establish his time meddling as relevant. He refuses to accept his own weakness against the Future Android 17 and 18, so the first assumption he makes is the past ones are stronger. This same kind of character flaw plays a part in his fight with Perfect Cell, where he assumes he's stronger than Vegeta because of Super Saiyan Grade 3, being completely blind to its weaknesses because of his own opinion on his power level.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53404: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:15:09 PM

But it's not treated that way at all. Trunks is very clearly amazed at how powerful Vegeta is and that it seems like he has an actual chance of winning, something he knows he has no chance of accomplishing. It isn't framed as him being arrogant, it's framed as making the their (current timeline folks) situation even more dire than his already is.

It's treated as another one of the multiple instances meant to show that he has no idea what's going on anymore because things have legitimately changed, including Goku getting sick at the wrong point, the wrong androids coming, 16 being activated, and Cell coming.

edited 2nd Mar '17 4:23:14 PM by LSBK

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#53405: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:19:57 PM

I never said it wasn't the intention, just that the slapdash nature of the Android Saga's writing allowed for an alternate interpretation.

edited 2nd Mar '17 4:23:26 PM by VeryMelon

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53407: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:27:01 PM

Boy was the Cell Saga insane.

So many twists & turns.

Gero really pulled out all the stops.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#53408: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:32:58 PM

He didn't plan anything that happened in that SAGA...

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#53409: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:34:53 PM

So now that you can't even technically blame Goku for putting any of the universes in danger, what do you think they're going to do with apparently highlighting how some of his less than stellar traits endanger others?

edited 2nd Mar '17 4:56:51 PM by LSBK

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#53410: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:48:22 PM

Hell, Goku's responsible for saving at least one universe since the winning universe gets to live where, if there were no tournament, everyone would've just died.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#53412: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:51:06 PM

Yeah, yeah...Karrot's a true hero by coincidence.

How disappointing.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#53413: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:52:19 PM

Wouldn't be the first time Goku saved the day without really meaning to.

There's was that evil army he shitstomped entirely because they pissed him off.

He didn't plan anything that happened in that SAGA...

Gero is just like HIS creator it seems.tongue

edited 2nd Mar '17 4:52:49 PM by HandsomeRob

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53414: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:52:27 PM

Heh doesn't make him into a total idiot at least, he still inadvertently saved people.

[up]x6 Sure he pretty much lost control of everything the moment he let the 17 & 18 out but he did create all the antagonists in his desire to kill Goku including creating a genetic-abomination with the mish-mash powers of several of the universes greatest warriors that for a time became without a doubt the strongest mortal existence within Universe 7. Gero actually succeeded in his plan barring Goku's eventual resurrection.

[down] Oh yeah but letting 17 & 18 out is what killed him in the end.

edited 2nd Mar '17 4:56:03 PM by slimcoder

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#53415: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:55:10 PM

Gero lost control of everything the moment Vegetarian showed up...more like it.

Though he would've lost even if they killed Kakarrot...just by Piccoro.

edited 2nd Mar '17 4:56:43 PM by randomness4

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#53416: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:58:13 PM

...Goku has never saved a universe during a tournament; the closest would have been the thing with Universe 6, and even then the only consequence to losing would have been the Earths switching universes, something that Goku points out would have not really change anything.

Also no, everyone would have not died, since four of the universes were already safe from deletion before the tournament was made.

edited 2nd Mar '17 4:59:41 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#53417: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:00:28 PM

Gero would have faired better if he'd actually kept track of Goku and learned he'd had a heart attack in the original timeline.

No need to waste time with rebellious shit 1 and 2 if the guy they were made to kill isn't even around anymore. Then, just dogpile Piccolo and Vegeta with 19, and kill everyone else slowly, then rule the world.

I find it hilarious that while he was slaving away, desperately searching for some way to create something that would kill Goku, the latter literally just had a heart attack and died, and Gero didn't even realize it.

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#53418: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:01:37 PM

You know that red eyed military man from the intro? I have a sneaking suspicion that he'll try to send his planet's military to attack U7 Earth to distract the U7 team in an ill-conceived plot to forfeit the tournament.

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edited 2nd Mar '17 5:02:04 PM by UdtheImp

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#53419: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:03:47 PM

[up][up] What's even more hilarious is that Future Trunks actually helped him succeed in killing Goku.

By saving Goku, the fucking irony.

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#53420: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:04:43 PM

[up][up][up],[up]Holy crap, I never actually noticed those points until they were pointed out just now. O_o

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#53421: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:16:31 PM

In regards to Goku discussion, one of the upcoming episode summaries says that Zeno is willing to remove the universe destruction stipulation of the tourney if Goku loses his fight to Bergamot. Make of that what you will.

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#53422: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:23:17 PM

I was thinking about what would happen if the Marvel Universe participated in the multiverse tournament.

Then I realized there quite a few what ifs and some canon mortals that could roflstomp everyone there, including.

Colossus. More specifically, Juggernaut Colossus (Cytorrak, the being who created the crystal that makes the juggernaut suit, is a celestial who makes odin at full power look like a damn joke, and odin and another baddie shook the multiverse with a punch that makes beeru's and gokus universe shaking punches look like a child's temper tantrum in comparison. Make of that what you will).

Sentry, whos basically schizophrenic superman who's strongest split personality can fight on par with Dark Pheonix Jean Grey and a fully fed Galactus..

Gladiator, another Superman ripoff who destroyed a supermassive black hole by brute forcing his way out of it, and consistently no sells the Juggernaut in every encounter they fight in.

I could go on, but yeah.

edited 2nd Mar '17 5:31:25 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#53423: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:33:16 PM

This is just in: Comic book power scaling is the most absurd thing ever.

In other news, the Sun is rather warm.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#53424: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:36:43 PM

Does that count as flamebait?

I mean he came in going "yeah I was thinking of how the Marvel universe would totally stomp the Dragon Ball universe". I think that the only thing missing is 'Fight me nerds'.

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#53425: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:41:43 PM

Nope, just pointing it out. tongue

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