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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#52902: Feb 24th 2017 at 9:46:47 AM

[up][up] Even Turtle?! Oh, man! I can't believe how powerful Beerus is!

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#52903: Feb 24th 2017 at 9:49:22 AM

I can't imagine Turtle makes much noise normally. The idea of a turtle going out of its way to be quiet is amusing to me.

edited 24th Feb '17 9:49:38 AM by Zeromaeus

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52904: Feb 24th 2017 at 10:13:56 AM

I'm suddenly aware of how interesting people think villains turning good are.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#52905: Feb 24th 2017 at 10:27:41 AM

Its more or less a result of people liking the villains. Its hard to justify them sticking around if they eat babies in their spare time.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52906: Feb 24th 2017 at 10:35:21 AM

That was obvious, I just didn't want to phrase it that way because it might have sounded like a barb.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52907: Feb 24th 2017 at 10:39:52 AM

I've never gotten that. A lot of people act as if liking a villain means the villain either has to somehow be a better person than they're presented at or "deserves" to be happy or something. It's weird.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#52908: Feb 24th 2017 at 10:50:35 AM

Well you can't exactly go "I'll get you next time gadget" with someone who blows up planets when things don't go their way. A bit of personality change is kind of necessary.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52909: Feb 24th 2017 at 10:59:13 AM

I didn't mean specifically here, just in general. A lot of people act like liking a villain, as a villain is wrong, so the villain needs to be made good for it to be okay to like them. That's the thing I don't get.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#52910: Feb 24th 2017 at 11:03:48 AM

I mean people (myself included) love the Joker, especially Heath Ledger Joker but they don't expect him to be redeemed. That be bullshit.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#52911: Feb 24th 2017 at 11:06:59 AM

Yeah there are villains who you like that can't be redeemed and villains you like that can be. Sometimes the latter are and sometimes they're not and if they aren't then it tends to tick some people off and lead to an influx of fan fiction.

Then again, I would have classified Vegeta as the former so what do I know.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#52912: Feb 24th 2017 at 11:53:34 AM

Vegeta getting redeemed for realsies took a ridiculously long time both in and out of story. Hell, he wasn't considered a good person until, what, thirteen years after he was introduced, in-story?

Not to mention all the stuff that went into humanizing him and giving him a reason to be a good person instead of just doing it to avoid going to hell again.

Anyway, Dragon Ball has a better way to Heel–Face Turn in that the characters switch sides... but they're still pretty damn evil when they do. It's very common seeing villains who are treated as insta-redeemed the moment they switch sides. Hell, Darth Vader was basically insta-redeemed even though he started out his evil ways by murdering someone who was trying to help him and massacring children that looked up to him.

And let's not even mention The Coolest Guy Ever...

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#52913: Feb 24th 2017 at 11:57:12 AM

Boba Fett?

Hiei?

Oh, no, I get it.

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#52914: Feb 24th 2017 at 11:59:57 AM

Yamcha?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#52915: Feb 24th 2017 at 12:02:20 PM

Cooler.

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#52916: Feb 24th 2017 at 12:29:38 PM

Fat Buu is probably the only DBZ villain that was insta-redeemed after doing large scale murder, but in his case he was literally too stupid to know better as well hanging out with a cowardly sociopathic bastard. Kid Buu, on the other hand, had to be wished to be reincarnated as a good human in order to redeem him.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#52917: Feb 24th 2017 at 12:46:15 PM

Kid Buu is also not so much evil as it is basically an animal that does what its instincts tell it to do, which is to blow shit up, eat and then go to sleep.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#52918: Feb 24th 2017 at 12:50:06 PM

Super Buu is actually pure evil. Which makes sense since he has Buu's evil side in control.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#52919: Feb 24th 2017 at 12:53:27 PM

So what you're saying is that we need to just use magic to cut out Frieza and Cell's evil sides and they could be good guys then?

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#52920: Feb 24th 2017 at 12:55:23 PM

I'm not sure there is anything but an evil side to Freeza and Cell tho.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#52921: Feb 24th 2017 at 1:08:31 PM

Let's not forget The Coolest Guy Ever.

Or, y'know, literally every living Uchiha in the narrative.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#52922: Feb 24th 2017 at 1:09:44 PM

Wait, I thought we were talking about Boruto.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#52923: Feb 24th 2017 at 1:37:06 PM

There's probably a little good in Cell, since he has cells from good guys. Pretty sure that's how genetics work. Frieza is a lost cause though.

edited 24th Feb '17 1:37:53 PM by Moth13

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#52924: Feb 24th 2017 at 3:17:26 PM

Cell is anything but how genetics work...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#52925: Feb 24th 2017 at 3:38:10 PM

It could be due to his sheer charisma but Cell has always struck me as the nicest of Z's main villains.

Also here's something I just thought of: If the Legendary Super Saiyan transformation is apparently going to be canon then would it be possible that another competitor possesses the ability to transform into a Super Saiyan 4?

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