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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52101: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:08:50 AM

Forget it. This post doesn't matter.

edited 15th Feb '17 9:16:14 AM by VeryMelon

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#52102: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:21:11 AM

The disappointing thing about the anime is that we don't need Frost to be evil.

We'd literally had Freeza return just one arc earlier, so having Frost be a villain was just an annoying retread.

As for his manga version, while some would ask why he agreed when he had no interest in the first place, you have to remember who asked him to be part of it. If he said no, do y'all think Champa would be like that's cool bro, or do you think he'd be like do what I tell you to do or I'll destroy you!

Cause if I were Frost, I know which one I'd be expecting That's likely exactly what Vados said to get him to join since she was the one who recruited all the universe 6 fighters directly.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#52103: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:22:38 AM

I like how Frost was on the run from the Saiyans a few episodes ago. Something tells me he's gonna be a prisoner-on-duty when he returns for this tournament, like in most cop movies that have prisoners that do jobs for the government so they can have a chance at freedom.

edited 15th Feb '17 9:23:08 AM by Rinsankajugin

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#52104: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:29:32 AM

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That's a good idea, though in Frost's case there's not much of a winning scenario for him.

He fights in the tournament, afterwards, he's still being hunted for his crimes, and runs the risk of being killed.

If he refuses to fight, he's still either caught by the Universe 6 Saiyans and executed, erased by Champa, or erased (alongside his entire universe) by Zen-O.

He's really got nothing to lose since there's no situation where he comes out better. So they gotta in theory offer him some benefit (more than they offers for the Universe 6 / 7 tourney).

At least that's my idea on it. They likely will just force him to fight with the caveat of being pardoned for his previous crimes (as long as he doesn't cheat this time).

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#52105: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:33:35 AM

I fully expect the U6 team to get hit by The Worf Effect.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#52106: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:39:27 AM

I could see a thing where Frost's time being on the run has humbled him and he has a Heel–Face Turn during the tournament.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#52107: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:41:31 AM

Maybe it's the manga that changed shit because it's written by a hack and not the anime? I mean, it did stupid shit like Goku turning into Super sayian god at the tournament so it's possible.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52108: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:43:47 AM

Both mediums change things simply because all they would have to go on is an outline. Only elements that show up in both can be called Toriyama's intentions.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#52109: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:50:10 AM

I do too hope that being on the run humbles Frost & he becomes a better person.

I mean if Vegeta can become a kind-hearted family man after first showing up as a murderous jackass then anything is possible.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#52110: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:51:49 AM

[up][up]Yeah, like the fact that Bulma boobs are sagging. That's an important part of Toriyama's vision. How do the fights actually go down? Eh, whatever, figure it out yourselves.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#52111: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:57:11 AM

I know you're joking, but that sounds exactly like Tori's mindset; he's always been one for vulgar humor and treating his fights more like an afterthought.

That would explain why most of the gags are consistent between the series, while the fights tend to play out differently.

edited 15th Feb '17 9:57:47 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#52112: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:57:42 AM

According to Toyotaro, he is rather picky about his gags.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#52113: Feb 15th 2017 at 10:00:50 AM

I know you're joking, but that sounds exactly like Tori's mindset; he's always been one for vulgar humor and treating his fights more like an afterthought.

This is not untrue.

According to Toyotaro, he is rather picky about his gags.

This is also not untrue. It makes sense, since his previous manga before this was a complete Gag Manga, and Dragonball itself didn't start out particularly seriously.

It kinda makes you think that Toriyama should have stuck with what he enjoyed and made a new series to go full on action, but I'm not the successful Mangaka who created a hit series, so I can safely admit I should just shut my yap.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52114: Feb 15th 2017 at 10:01:26 AM

Yeah Toyotaro said Toriyama really wanted his jokes kept unchanged.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#52115: Feb 15th 2017 at 10:01:56 AM

I feel like a guy who's first major series was 3/4 poop jokes shouldn't be this picky about humor.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#52116: Feb 15th 2017 at 10:03:24 AM

I wish he cared as much about the details of the battles as he did the jokes.

Did we really need to know that (as was mentioned before) that Bulma's breasts are sagging, or that Goku has never kissed his wife even once?

Were either of those vital details we couldn't afford to lose. In fact, it'd be nice if there was a tighter bit of plotting between the manga and the anime rather than some loose notes on the subject.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52117: Feb 15th 2017 at 11:15:27 AM

Humor is impartial...so the jokes can stay.

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#52118: Feb 15th 2017 at 11:42:43 AM

Speaking of gross humor, I can't help but notice that the poison this guy is said to use has been vague in details of how it's used. I really hope this isn't a set-up for a dumb fart joke or something. sad

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52119: Feb 15th 2017 at 11:44:23 AM

That doesn't incapacitate people...it'd not make sense, that'd be the problem.

edited 15th Feb '17 11:44:58 AM by randomness4

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52120: Feb 15th 2017 at 11:47:02 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama's the kind of writer who visualizes his characters best through humor, and so thinks of the jokes as being more important.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#52121: Feb 15th 2017 at 11:50:15 AM

Pretty sure him considering the gags more important is something he's on record saying. Someone posted an interview or something where he admits as much.

Edit: Either that or something where the writer of the manga said something along the lines of him not minding what he does with the plot as long as the jokes stay in. Or both, possibly.

edited 15th Feb '17 11:51:38 AM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#52122: Feb 15th 2017 at 1:04:22 PM

The whole "Toriyama takes the gags much more seriously" thing mostly comes from Toyotaro saying as much.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#52123: Feb 15th 2017 at 1:05:42 PM

Which is ironic...

The part about him taking jokes seriously and all.

Since they are jokes and all.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#52124: Feb 15th 2017 at 3:07:26 PM

I would insert a Youtube video here but I do not what to post here.

Taking humor and comedy seriously? Logic Bomb! tongue

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#52125: Feb 15th 2017 at 3:19:03 PM

So I got a question: It was during Super Buu's battle with Awakened Gohan with Piccolo, Trunks & Goten standing by.

Right before blowing himself up what did Buu mean to Gohan when he said "Your missing the point"?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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