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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#52076: Feb 15th 2017 at 2:08:20 AM

I'm shipping the clown and his angel assisant so hard right now.

Also, what is Vados and Champa relationship? Is she his nanny or something?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#52077: Feb 15th 2017 at 2:11:35 AM

She's his Whis...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#52078: Feb 15th 2017 at 2:18:14 AM

So she is his nanny.

Ya know I hope the Clown God is a heroic figure. It be a fun subversion of the expectation of him being a monster clown, having a possibly morally righteous God of Destruction & if that Red & Black alien guy really is a superhero then it make his team look like a group of heroes.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#52079: Feb 15th 2017 at 5:53:18 AM

Just traffic lights, no need to nationalize.
Most traffic lights in the US and other places are Red/Yellow/Green instead of Red/Yellow/Blue. Its one of the few visible relics of when green and blue were one color in Japan and only kept that way cause of inertia and Japan likes those primary colors more than most.

edited 15th Feb '17 5:59:11 AM by Memers

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#52080: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:33:28 AM

I'm not exactly holding out hope for good guy clown since Toei changed anti-hero AU Freeza into regular Freeza.

I guess we'll see how it goes.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#52081: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:38:02 AM

since Toei changed anti-hero AU Freeza into regular Freeza

...really?

edited 15th Feb '17 7:38:40 AM by Soble

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#52082: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:40:57 AM

Yeah. That's not in the manga which implies that it's not in Toriyama's outline.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#52083: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:43:14 AM

Frost was just an impatient guy who had no interest in the tournament in the manga. The anime just made him evil for some reason, which makes me feel sorry for Freeza's VA who mentioned that he always wanted to voice a heroic version of Freeza.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#52084: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:45:50 AM

So, he's like, not a dick in the manga?

Like at all?

He's just some guy who happens to be the same race as Freeza and is very impatient.

He doesn't poison anybody? Goku just knocks him the f'ck out?

edited 15th Feb '17 7:46:34 AM by Soble

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#52085: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:48:35 AM

No, he still poisons people. He just does it because there's no prize money and he wants to tournament to be over as quickly as possible so he can get back to what he was doing before.

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#52086: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:49:26 AM

No, he still cheats with the poison, but it's attributed to impatience rather than him being evil.

[nja]

edited 15th Feb '17 7:50:25 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#52087: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:50:17 AM

Frost is an asshole in the manga, and resorts to poison. Not a genocidal broker.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#52088: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:50:44 AM

No he still cheats. He's just not literally Frieza.

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edited 15th Feb '17 7:51:31 AM by LordVatek

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#52089: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:52:29 AM

I mean

  • Looks exactly like Freeza but is actually just an impatient dick

=/=

  • Looks exactly like Freeza and is an evil dick

o_o

Goddamn it Toei, stop messing with the script.

edited 15th Feb '17 7:55:43 AM by Soble

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#52090: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:53:09 AM

Ya know I have some hope that Frost can pull a turn. Granted this is mostly just me assuming he'll do something in the arc cause hes in the OP & me just being an optimist.

I know the possibililities are low but hey sue me.

edited 15th Feb '17 7:53:41 AM by slimcoder

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#52091: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:54:58 AM

I think he'll be a sub-boss for someone like Krillin, Tien, or Gohan.

If Freeza could train up to God-tier in a matter of months, Frost could probably pump himself up to Super Saiyan 2 tier Just-enough-to-give-Gohan-a-serious-fight-tier in however many days/weeks have passed since the last tournament.

edited 15th Feb '17 7:59:03 AM by Soble

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#52092: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:58:48 AM

Toei can't mess with the script if there is no script to mess with. The anime and manga both just interpreted the notes in different ways.

This song needs more love.
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#52093: Feb 15th 2017 at 8:04:19 AM

It's not that Toei messed with the script, it's just that their interpretation of what seems to be Toriyama's outline when in a different direction than Toyotaro's and that Toyotaro's is better because it's not the major let down we got.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#52094: Feb 15th 2017 at 8:06:13 AM

Toyotaro's is better because it's not the major let down we got.

Battling subjectives here, but again:

  • Frost is actually just impatient so he decides to poison his opponent so he can win a tournament quicker
  • Frost is acting really nice but is actually someone who starts wars and then calls himself a hero

I don't know why the second is any more of a let-down than the first.

edited 15th Feb '17 8:08:50 AM by Soble

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52095: Feb 15th 2017 at 8:08:15 AM

They already explained why they preferred the manga's characterization of Frost.

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#52096: Feb 15th 2017 at 8:10:14 AM

I think Toyotaro's version is kind of an anti-climax, and Toei's version is far more interesting and open to future developments. Also, just because Frost is evil in the anime, doesn't mean it's impossible for him to have a Heel–Face Turn in the future. Just look at literally all of the main cast who isn't descended from another member of the main cast.

edited 15th Feb '17 8:58:26 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52097: Feb 15th 2017 at 8:13:34 AM

I normally prefer reading the manga over watching the anime, but there's no reason to turn it into a which is better argument. Someone could just as easily enjoy both interpretations of Toriyama's outline.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#52098: Feb 15th 2017 at 8:18:21 AM

It's not that Frost is impatient and wants to win faster, it's that he doesn't want to be there since the prize doesn't matter to him and he wants to get it over with as soon as possible.

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#52099: Feb 15th 2017 at 8:26:14 AM

Which...kind of seems dumb since he's the one who agreed to enter the tournament in the first place.

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#52100: Feb 15th 2017 at 9:01:43 AM

I don't know, the two are very different. While everyone can agree the manga is better in some parts, is also very flawed. I don't think Toyotaro is that good of a writer compared with the anime writers, while the art of the anime is kinda ugly looking, especially in the first three arcs.

Besides, the Champa saga always felt rushed to me in the manga. The characters didn't seem to have enough justification for their acts except for Hit, Beerus and Champa. Frost just sticks like a sore thumb, like something is missing with him, and in the anime, he had some justification. No commentary on Botamo, Magetta and Cabba.

Also, Xenoverse 2 seems to combine elements of both versions anyway.

edited 15th Feb '17 9:07:04 AM by Tomodachi

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