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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#51376: Feb 7th 2017 at 3:33:29 PM

We never speak of shipping on this thread: none of the characters are available. Except Cabba and Fem Broly, but it will be death by Snu Snu.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#51377: Feb 7th 2017 at 3:36:56 PM

[up][up][up] Heh me too about watching the show on Toonami though I might make an exception for the current arc if its epic enough.

[up] Ironically most of the casts are already in relationships.

Though I still don't like Trunks & Mais "thing". Thank God shonen relationships are so low-key.

edited 7th Feb '17 3:37:19 PM by slimcoder

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#51378: Feb 7th 2017 at 3:41:26 PM

You know something we don't really appreciate enough in Dragon Ball?

The lack of romance bullshit.

No, hear me out here.

I know shonen doesn't really do romance, per se, but there usually is a romantic Plot Tumor in a lot of shonen, but it's never really been the case in Dragon Ball. Of course, it doesn't stop the morons in the fanbase from going into Ship-to-Ship Combat, but still, it's worth noting that whenever shonen tries to have a romantic subplot, it becomes a Plot Tumor, and we should be happy it isn't a thing in Dragon Ball.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#51379: Feb 7th 2017 at 3:43:24 PM

[up] That is true. It also avoids many of the romance cliches that we see in some fiction but I think it has more to do with Toriyama not being to write romance if anything. It is probably for the best. [tup]

"Mai waifu."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#51380: Feb 7th 2017 at 3:44:34 PM

All the characters should be single...

But noooooo...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#51381: Feb 7th 2017 at 3:46:05 PM

I'm happy about that, due to that Trunks & Mai's relationship is so understated that you can simply write them off as very close friends, senzu feeding scene aside.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#51382: Feb 7th 2017 at 3:47:10 PM

That's almost as erroneous an idea as the idea that Peter Parker cannot appeal to readers if he's married, and that resulted in one of the worst comic books of all time.

It's amazing just how out of touch with reality executives can be.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#51383: Feb 7th 2017 at 3:52:28 PM

No one pursued any relationship, so they should just be single...

Blooma and Yamucha are the only exceptions...

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UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#51384: Feb 7th 2017 at 3:53:27 PM

My personal ranking of the major father figures on DB from best to worst from all the evidence seen:

1. Krillin, Gohan
2. Piccolo
3. Goku when he actually puts in the damn effort
4. Hercule, Vegeta
5. Goku in general
Eleventy billion. King Cold

[up]Honestly, when I caught up in the series to the Cell Arc, I was honestly floored back then that Bulma did not hook up with Yamcha and instead went with Vegeta. This was back in high school.

@GAP: The one time I noticed a romance cliche reared its head (classic "villain successfully sows doubt in loved one by artificially creating infidelity situation"), the immediate response the target was basically "You are trying to wreck my marriage over being snubbed, you petty jackass?! Git outta my house!!"

edited 7th Feb '17 4:01:57 PM by UdtheImp

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#51385: Feb 7th 2017 at 4:36:07 PM

I know shonen doesn't really do romance, per se, but there usually is a romantic Plot Tumor in a lot of shonen, but it's never really been the case in Dragon Ball. Of course, it doesn't stop the morons in the fanbase from going into Ship-to-Ship Combat, but still, it's worth noting that whenever shonen tries to have a romantic subplot, it becomes a Plot Tumor, and we should be happy it isn't a thing in Dragon Ball.

That's not true. There's plenty of Shonen out there that have well-developed romances. It's just that nobody cares them about because nobody wants to talk about nice things and it's negatives that get the attention.

edited 7th Feb '17 4:36:33 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#51386: Feb 7th 2017 at 4:39:37 PM

At least Toriyama had the foresight and self-awareness to know he'd suck at romance so he just did the clip notes version in the background. If only some other writers cough*Kishimoto*cough, could be like that.

But, yeah, Shonen isn't necessarily synonymous with bad romance.

edited 7th Feb '17 4:40:02 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#51387: Feb 7th 2017 at 4:47:49 PM

[up][up] Huh which ones?

[up] There was some good development on Gohan & Videl's relationship right?

Also I'm planning on rewatching the Bardock special for the first time in years so what's the opinion on Goku's dad here? Is he considered a cool guy & a badass warrior?

edited 7th Feb '17 4:48:33 PM by slimcoder

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#51388: Feb 7th 2017 at 4:56:37 PM

That Bardock's a pretty cool guy. Eh conquers planets and doesnt afraid of anything

Anyway, shonen is not synonymous with bad romance, but you can't truthfully and honestly say that shonen doesn't have a tendency to mishandle romance subplots very, very badly.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#51389: Feb 7th 2017 at 4:59:57 PM

Most romance is crap, anyway, shonen, comic, movies, eveything has terrible romance.

Artist interpretation of the GoD.

edited 7th Feb '17 5:01:54 PM by Tomodachi

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#51390: Feb 7th 2017 at 5:04:45 PM

@ IANCE: I dunno. One More Day is really bad but, having been watching a lot of Linkara lately, there are a lot worse comics out there. Holy Terror comes to mind as being far worse.

Derp. Misread. Yeah, it's one of the worse but not just for the reasons everyone thinks.

edited 7th Feb '17 5:05:28 PM by Zelenal

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#51391: Feb 7th 2017 at 5:07:35 PM

I don't like any of the new Gods of Destruction designs.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#51392: Feb 7th 2017 at 5:08:21 PM

A good writer should push to become better at the whole of their craft, not just to rest at ease in a single area. Writing, like any art, should be self-challenging, always self-improving.

If the Kishimotos and Toriyamas think they're bad at writing romance, the answer shouldn't be 'I will stop trying to write romance', but 'I will try my best to improve at romance'.

But then again, let's not kid ourselves, professional manga writing is mostly a strictly mercenary affair.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#51393: Feb 7th 2017 at 5:11:39 PM

Nope, not pushing the romance angle is the better option.

Toxicate another new work with that, not an established one.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#51394: Feb 7th 2017 at 5:14:13 PM

A badly written romance is just that, a badly written romance; it has nothing to do with being a Shonen or not. We just mentioned One More Day, and that's an American comic.

Huh which ones?

Off the top of my head, not a lot but there's Rurouni Kenshin which has a decently built up romance with the main leads, and it's not the focus of the series either...at least always.

edited 7th Feb '17 5:15:48 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#51395: Feb 7th 2017 at 5:14:17 PM

[up][up][up] While I agree with that, I also think there's a time and place for everything. In cases like a weekly manga, you really should just stick with what you think you're best at to try and ensure sales.

Also, creators should create what they want to create. If a writer says "I'm bad at romance so I don't want to write it" then that's perfectly fine.

[up] I wouldn't say that qualifies as a romance. There's only one potentially romantic scene in that comic and Peter and MJ spend it doing absolutely nothing.

Like, the closest it gets to being romantic is when Mephisto first makes the deal and Peter immediately rejects it.

edited 7th Feb '17 5:15:45 PM by Zelenal

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#51396: Feb 7th 2017 at 5:16:09 PM

I love all the new Gods of Destruction's designs. The mouse and fluffball are my favorite.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#51397: Feb 7th 2017 at 5:16:33 PM

I never read DB Minus but I was not too receptive to Goku's mom Gine when I heard about her. I didn't necessarily like how she was one of the only Saiyans who weren't battle mongers & conquerors like the rest of her race & how she & Bardock were actually married instead of Goku's conception being more from a breeding program.

It makes Goku a bit too special & ironically makes his origin more similar to Superman.

[up] I assume they'll appear better once we get an actual look at them.

edited 7th Feb '17 5:19:07 PM by slimcoder

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#51398: Feb 7th 2017 at 5:18:08 PM

Napoleon, I would agree, except romance never was and usually never is the point of shonen manga. In which case, I don't begrudge anyone who has the foresight to say "I'm not good in this particular area, so instead of risk and make my work shittier doing something extra, I won't even bother".

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#51399: Feb 7th 2017 at 5:21:22 PM

I'm indifferent to the new Gods of Destruction designs. Robot God, Ganesha, and Foxy grab my attention, though.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#51400: Feb 7th 2017 at 5:39:29 PM

The actual worst part about One More Day is how it bends the whole universe towards its intended goal. We need Aunt May's life being endangered because she was hit with a bullet, so Reed Richards, Doctor Octopus (who had a genuine liking for May) and Doctor Strange couldn't treat a normal bullet wound when Peter asked them for help. Once the premise gets that stupid the rest is just more things falling into place.


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