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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#51276: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:00:14 AM

[up][up][up][up] Vegeta getting angry on her behalf once or twice does not contradict anything I said. If she's not in any particular distress, he would just go train.

[up] He's been doing that with Chi-Chi long before Super was ever a thing; he actually does go out of his way to make her as unlikable as possible...cuz reasons I guess.

edited 6th Feb '17 8:01:53 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#51277: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:01:35 AM

Stress shrinking.

edited 6th Feb '17 8:02:49 AM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#51278: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:03:04 AM

I mean, Goku got super pissed about Goku Black killing an alternate timeline Chichi and Goten, does that mean he definitely values their lives above training? I'm actually not sure.

But, like, Goku and Vegeta are different people, but you still get the comparison.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#51279: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:05:05 AM

Anime Goku, not seen in the manga, so probably not Toriyama's idea.

A shame, street-wise but childlike Goku would have worked better than static character Goku.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#51280: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:14:08 AM

Why do we assume that everything that's not in the manga is related to Toriyama? Or rather, why are we assuming everything in the manga is Toriyama's doing.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#51281: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:15:10 AM

The way 17 and 18 enter side-by-side with the heroes, the start with Goku in an attack rush with Bug Man, Vegeta fighting seriously against a fat lady from another universe, Goku's ki-ball trick, and the way Goku backflips at the end and holds the Dragonball as the others are summoned behind him.

It's all so beautiful.

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Why do we assume that everything that's not in the manga is related to Toriyama? Or rather, why are we assuming everything in the manga is Toriyama's doing

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edited 6th Feb '17 8:37:47 AM by Soble

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UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#51282: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:16:55 AM

I think in terms of their wives, Goku and Vegeta see them as very good friends they sleep with at this point, more of a very deep philia and/or storge rather than eros. It would explain how Goku managed to have two kids with Chi Chi without ever kissing her in their entire marriage and why both he and Vegeta absolutely flipped out after their respective wives were hurt (Vegeta punching out Beerus after the latter slapped Bulma, Goku going ballistic on Goku Black after the latter killed as alternate C Hi C Hi and Goten).

Of course, Goku and Chi Chi got along very well and things only gotten rocky after she wanted to the family to be more traditional and wanting Goku to integrate more into society as a whole while Bulma and Vegeta's relationship started out rocky and eased up as they gotten used to each other and had kids, but that's saying the obvious here.

Also, it would explain how Goku failed to recognize Bulma being pregnant: Chi Chi is the only woman Goku had EVER seen actually pregnant, thus he's unfamiliar with the the process happening to other women. A huge leap of logic, I know, but at this point Goku's level of stupidity fails to surprise me anymore.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51283: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:19:36 AM

I honestly never got "Superman" from the original dub, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention.

It's kinda there. He was sent to Earth from a doomed planet, has amazing abilities beyond the regular person including flight, continually fights against enemies that have ties to his home planet, etc.

Not to mention that his father was a brilliant scientist.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#51284: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:21:48 AM

^^I kinda think Masako is right with Vegeta having concept of romantic love and marriage due to royal bloodline stuff .-. I mean Vegeta's behavior fits better with "eros" stuff

edited 6th Feb '17 8:21:55 AM by SpookyMask

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#51285: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:24:43 AM

Why do we assume that everything that's not in the manga is related to Toriyama? Or rather, why are we assuming everything in the manga is Toriyama's doing.

I assume things that are the same in the manga and the anime to be Toriyama's doing, while stuff that only happens in one or the other to not be on Toriyama's notes. I also put more faith in Toyotarou's expansions and explanations than on Toei's, but that's because he seems to be the one that cares the most about inner consistency out of all three parties involved.

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#51286: Feb 6th 2017 at 11:05:40 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up] Supreme Kai, my god XD

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#51287: Feb 6th 2017 at 11:13:57 AM

It is a wonder how well-adjusted an individual Gohan ended up becoming.

Piccolo.

You can pinpoint a real difference at how Gohan was before and after Piccolo. Hadn't he ever stepped in Gohan's life Gohan would likely have grown up to be... an older version of Very Early DBZ Gohan.

Piccolo was unironically the best thing to ever happen to Gohan, wife and daughter aside.

And he started a child abuser. Which tells you a lot about the DB verse in general.

edited 6th Feb '17 11:14:43 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#51289: Feb 6th 2017 at 11:15:49 AM

Then again, it goes both ways. Gohan also was the best thing to ever happen to Piccolo, and in this case there's no contest.

edited 6th Feb '17 11:16:17 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#51290: Feb 6th 2017 at 11:18:09 AM

[up][up] Kind of annoying isn't it.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#51291: Feb 6th 2017 at 11:20:42 AM

I have no problem acknowledging Gohan and Piccolo's relationship, it's both important and endearing for both of them. I just don't like it when people play it up more than it actually was.

Perhaps that's not what Napoleon is implying, but I just reflexively heave at the implication now.

edited 6th Feb '17 11:21:04 AM by LSBK

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#51292: Feb 6th 2017 at 11:21:58 AM

What is? Piccolo is a child abuser or something else?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#51293: Feb 6th 2017 at 11:25:01 AM

The constant implications by fans that Piccolo is such a superior father figure to Gohan than Goku. Not helped by the fact that this is a consistently ran theme in the abridged series where its likely to have originated from.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#51294: Feb 6th 2017 at 11:25:41 AM

I used to hate how Goku keeps trolling Beerus, but this latest episode seems to imply the gap between them is really thin. What happened to Goku bowing and acting uncharacteristically "formal" around Beerus - yeah he only did that because King Kai told him to, but still. In ROF he and Vegeta were pretty terrified when Beerus sneezed a planet out of existence.

I hope this comes to a boil during the tournament.

edited 6th Feb '17 11:27:17 AM by Soble

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#51295: Feb 6th 2017 at 11:28:18 AM

Goku's parenting skills are uneven. At his best he's better than Piccolo, in that he can be more of the type you can relax with and consider a friendly parent figure. At his worst he's negligent and below Piccolo, and lets Chichi's worst tendencies run unchecked. I do think Piccolo is more consistent and steadier, once he mellows down.

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#51296: Feb 6th 2017 at 11:33:44 AM

Gohand becoming the person he did wasn't really because of Piccoro...he still grew up into a socially awkward teen, that would've happened either way.

Then he grew into a responsible, yet quite nerdy adult, which still would've happened.

Piccoro is responsible for neither of these.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#51297: Feb 6th 2017 at 11:44:28 AM

I don't think he was as socially awkward and especially nervous as he'd have been had he continued being the same way he was before starting training. His situation isn't even comparable to Goten's because by Goten Chichi had relaxed somewhat, and Gohan had the likely weight of being the firstborn with more to prove placed on him too.

As he was, Teen!Gohan wasn't even as awkward as most modern young anime protagonists. Hell, he was even more relaxed and comfortable than The Goku That Shall Not Be Named.

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#51298: Feb 6th 2017 at 11:50:34 AM

[up][up], [up]Piccolo's responsible for actually instilling in Gohan a backbone. Yes he did for selfish reasons and in a way that would be considered as extreme child abuse even by the standards of the series, but Gohan is half-Saiyan, thus Gohan could take the abuse. Doesn't justify it at all, however, just saying Gohan's sturdy enough.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51299: Feb 6th 2017 at 12:01:13 PM

Goku wasn't that bad of a father towards Gohan, honestly. The only times he's not around for Gohan are when he's dead, seriously injured, or off on Yadrat learning the Instant Transmission. And the first two happened in defense of his son.

Now Goten, on the other hand, got the short end of the stick given that Goku started getting the "muh constant training" mentality around the time he came into existence.

edited 6th Feb '17 12:02:02 PM by Hobgoblin

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#51300: Feb 6th 2017 at 12:07:17 PM

He was gone for a Majority of Gohand's growing up...unfortunately.

That's the only downside.

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